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Abby1964
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Posted: Wed Feb 23rd, 2011 05:06 pm |
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Adrift wrote:
Abby1964 wrote: I didn't care too much for the remake of Nosferatu. I think Max Schrek created such a 'creepy' character with Count Orlock. I think Bela Lugosi sensed that and went in the other direction with Dracula Making him more of a suave character.
I agree vampires are supposed to be icky. In the original legends there is nothing sexy or suave about them. They are evil, ugly and bloodthirsty which was the big draw for me with 30 Days of Night. Those vampires were more in keeping with the original stories.
Ah, well different strokes I suppose. I like the Max Schreck original as well, but Herzog's remake is just gorgeous, especially the castle scenes...
I really liked 30 Days of Night too.
I'm just not a 'remake' person. And the original Nosferatu is very dark in keeping with the darkness of the character for me. The remake with modern filming techniques was too 'revealing' for lack of a better word. The bad lighting and shadows added to the mystique for me. Kind of like the original Dark Shadows compared to the remake. The dark corners and shadows added to the overall tone of the original.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23rd, 2011 10:21 pm |
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Abby1964 wrote:
I'm just not a 'remake' person. And the original Nosferatu is very dark in keeping with the darkness of the character for me. The remake with modern filming techniques was too 'revealing' for lack of a better word. The bad lighting and shadows added to the mystique for me. Kind of like the original Dark Shadows compared to the remake. The dark corners and shadows added to the overall tone of the original.
That's fair. I suppose, for me, I think of it less in terms of a standard remake, and more like an homage to the original. As far as remakes go, I think it did a heck of a lot better than say... the King Kong remakes or something. I can't make valid comparisons between Dark Shadow and its remake because I wasn't much a fan of either series.
I guess I just enjoy both films on their own merit.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 12:29 am |
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"let the right one in"
now THERE'S a sublime vampire movie. a cinematic masterpiece in any genre.
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Kaden
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 01:05 am |
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You're right, that is a fantastic film. I loved the somber tone and how it fit the subject matter so well. I found it to be a very subtle film, which I quite enjoyed.
One of my favorite vampire movies is Vampire's Kiss. It's always listed in the comedy section, but it's really not a very funny movie. Unless, of course, you look at it from the vampire's perspective. Then it's hilarious. It's about a female vampire who convinces her smarmy yuppie victim that she's turned him into a vampire too, and his subsequent descent into madness. The scene with Nicholas Cage running down the street screaming, "I'm a vampire! I'm a vampire!" gets me every time. 
Oh, and the fangs. Mustn't forget about the fangs! 
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 01:53 am |
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"let the right one in"
now THERE'S a sublime vampire movie. a cinematic masterpiece in any genre.
Yeah, that was a very different take on the whole vampire thing... Ironically I'm not really looking forward to the American remake 
Other good offbeat vampire films I've always liked include The Hunger, Nadja, and Near Dark. Another vampire movie that sort of creeped me out was Romero's Martin... not sure I actually like that film though.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 01:57 am |
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Kaden wrote:
One of my favorite vampire movies is Vampire's Kiss. It's always listed in the comedy section, but it's really not a very funny movie. Unless, of course, you look at it from the vampire's perspective. Then it's hilarious. It's about a female vampire who convinces her smarmy yuppie victim that she's turned him into a vampire too, and his subsequent descent into madness. The scene with Nicholas Cage running down the street screaming, "I'm a vampire! I'm a vampire!" gets me every time.
Huh. I've never seen that. I'll have to throw it on my Netflix queue. That was back when I wanted to watch Nicholas Cage when he was doing cool films like Wild at Heart, Peggy Sue Got Married, and Raising Arizona. Man, what happened to him?Last edited on Thu Feb 24th, 2011 01:57 am by Adrift
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Kaden
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 02:42 am |
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Near Dark is another of my favorites and The Hunger is a classic.
Yeah... not sure what damage Nick Cage is suffering from. I choose to pretend that everything he's done for the last ten years or so does not exist. That way his good early stuff remains unscathed.
I have a weird relationship with the vampire genre. I love it, and yet at the same time it vexes me. I'm always looking for a vampire story, be it film or book or whatever, where the protagonist is not self-pitying. There is a standard behavior that goes along with vampires. They are either completely evil with no redeeming qualities, or they hate what they are. You know, doomed to live forever (?!), preying on humanity, blah, blah, blah. Even my favorite punk rock vampire, Sonja Blue, hates what she is. Because of that, I find even the stories I like (like Near Dark) a little unsatisfying.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 02:52 am |
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Yeah... not sure what damage Nick Cage is suffering from. I choose to pretend that everything he's done for the last ten years or so does not exist. That way his good early stuff remains unscathed.
Yeah, he made a string of movies that sort of cemented him into this stereotype for big dumb blockbusters. I think it started with The Rock, then continued with Con Air and Face/Off. Its a shame because anything before that was just gold and anything after is dreck.
I have a weird relationship with the vampire genre. I love it, and yet at the same time it vexes me. I'm always looking for a vampire story, be it film or book or whatever, where the protagonist is not self-pitying. There is a standard behavior that goes along with vampires. They are either completely evil with no redeeming qualities, or they hate what they are. You know, doomed to live forever (?!), preying on humanity, blah, blah, blah. Even my favorite punk rock vampire, Sonja Blue, hates what she is. Because of that, I find even the stories I like (like Near Dark) a little unsatisfying.
I don't know who Sonja Blue is. Is that a character from a book?
How I see it I'm more a werewolf fan than vampires, but they don't make any really good werewolf films (with the exception maybe of American Werewolf in London), so I'm stuck watching the vampire films. And I like good horror, so I'm probably not going to stop watching them. I wonder if that means I'm on Team Jacob or something...
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 03:14 am |
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Yeah, Sonja Blue is character from a book. A couple of books, actually. The author is Nancy A. Collins. I describe Sonja Blue as an angry, half-crazed woman with a silver switchblade and a vendetta. She wears Black Flag and Circle Jerks t-shirts and listens to Diamanda Galas. She was attacked by a vampire and left for dead but became a living vampire who hunts vampires. Also, because she didn't transform completely, she has a separate, insane vampire entity living in her brain that she calls 'the Other.' Sounds cooky, but I like the books a lot. Nancy Collins has also written werewolf and revenant stories that are pretty good.
There was a British werewolf movie that came out a couple of years ago that I thought was pretty good called Dog Soldiers. There is a hand-to-hand fight scene between a small, scrappy man and a werewolf that somehow manages to give the small human a chance. But yeah, nothing really beats An American Werewolf in London.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 03:18 am |
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Adrift wrote: I wonder if that means I'm on Team Jacob or something...
Ha!
I'm against Twilight on sheer principle. Those are not vampires! They are very confused fairies. Fairies sparkle, vampires do not.
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Abby1964
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 04:42 am |
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Adrift wrote: I wonder if that means I'm on Team Jacob or something...
Ha!
I'm against Twilight on sheer principle. Those are not vampires! They are very confused fairies. Fairies sparkle, vampires do not.
Oh my god! Warn me the next time you want to commit murder. I almost drowned on a mouthful of water on that one! 
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 12:47 pm |
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Kaden wrote: Yeah, Sonja Blue is character from a book. A couple of books, actually. The author is Nancy A. Collins. I describe Sonja Blue as an angry, half-crazed woman with a silver switchblade and a vendetta. She wears Black Flag and Circle Jerks t-shirts and listens to Diamanda Galas. She was attacked by a vampire and left for dead but became a living vampire who hunts vampires. Also, because she didn't transform completely, she has a separate, insane vampire entity living in her brain that she calls 'the Other.' Sounds cooky, but I like the books a lot. Nancy Collins has also written werewolf and revenant stories that are pretty good.
Oh! You had me at Diamanda Galas. Very cool sounding.
There was a British werewolf movie that came out a couple of years ago that I thought was pretty good called Dog Soldiers. There is a hand-to-hand fight scene between a small, scrappy man and a werewolf that somehow manages to give the small human a chance. But yeah, nothing really beats An American Werewolf in London.
Yeah, I have that film on DVD. Great movie. I was sorta exaggerating when I said there's no good werewolf films... there's a few I suppose, but not many. Neil Jordan, the director of Interview with the Vampire and The Crying Game did a neat fantasy type, Little Red Riding Hood based, werewolf film back in the 80s called The Company of Wolves that I like a lot. Very stylish.
I'm against Twilight on sheer principle. Those are not vampires! They are very confused fairies. Fairies sparkle, vampires do not.
LOL
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Abby1964
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 05:06 pm |
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| very atypical but check out Brotherhood of the Wolf. A very different spin
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 05:28 pm |
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Abby1964 wrote:
very atypical but check out Brotherhood of the Wolf. A very different spin
Seen it. Great looking film. I'm a huge movie buff... Outside of a lot of classics pre-dating maybe 1967 or so there aren't really a whole lot of films in this genre I haven't seen.
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Abby1964
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 07:40 pm |
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Abby1964 wrote:
very atypical but check out Brotherhood of the Wolf. A very different spin
Seen it. Great looking film. I'm a huge movie buff... Outside of a lot of classics pre-dating maybe 1967 or so there aren't really a whole lot of films in this genre I haven't seen.
I loved the political take on it, using superstition to manipulate the masses. Even going so far as to 'create' the very thing you want them to fear.
Kind of what M Night seemed to be going for in The Village. Too bad that movie did not pull it off. A little more work and it could have been just as brilliant as the concept.Last edited on Thu Feb 24th, 2011 07:44 pm by Abby1964
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