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 Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2012 04:07 pm

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Lupakalia wrote: Squish wrote:
Blissestrasse is not "disturbing" really, it's just boring and predictable.

MM is great, along with Rolf Kanies, but it's just hard to get through the rest of it without falling asleep....




I can see why many USAmericans wouldn't enjoy Blissestrasse. Reading the interview with Paul Donovan in EXBlicks, there's him, a Canadian, showing up the scary nature of US society for just how hypocritical, repellent and ridiculous it really is. Very much how they rip the piss out of 'you guys' all the way through Season 4 of Lexx.

"Is Pastor Williams, this religious freak, authentic in America?"

PD "I’m not exaggerating. When you go to Miami as a tourist, you don’t see it. But if you go to other parts of Florida and buy a bottle of milk and hand over a five-dollar bill, you get change back with a ‘Praise the Lord’, and they mean it. And they assume you’re one of them."

http://www.exberliner.com/articles/you-have-to-break-some-taboos

Maybe people in the US just don't understand how your country looks from the outside, to all the rest of us in the world!
Having lived in Florida for over 20 years, I feel I should point out that this is a total stereotype no more valid than any other stereotype.    People see one or two people act like idiots and get the idea that this is how everyone is.  Pastor William is no more an authentic representation of the body of clergy in the US, than Rev Phelps of the Westboro Baptist church or the child molesting Catholic priest.

While there are some clergy members like Pastor William, some priests who have molested children in their congregation and some homophobic preachers teaching that God hates; to think that they are some 'authentic' representation of the whole is an appalling display of ignorance.  One that leads to  the continued promotion of ignorance and hatred.



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 Posted: Sat Apr 28th, 2012 02:31 pm

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As a Florida native with roots going back 250+ years, it's true that I have relatives who fit this stereotype.  They watch FOX News (and believe every word) and are members of fundamentalist religion and voted for George Bush for president.  Nevertheless, they're in the minority (of sanity) in the country, or so I hope.

The rest of us, those of us who graduated from high school and college at the very least, don't get the press's attention.  We who have higher educations and have higher IQs attract less attention.  We pay our taxes, don't break the law and don't use drugs.  Those who do pay for them with money they earn rather than stealing and they have fewer criminal transgressions.  We're smarter.  For those of us who are Christian (and we are many), we don't hit you over the head with our religion.  We've learned that doing so drives people away rather than attracting them, and that's not our wish.

Interesting that Paul believes in the stereotype.  I thought he was smarter than that, what with his genius brain and all. 



 

 




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 Posted: Sun Apr 29th, 2012 12:15 am

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I don't truly think that Paul believes such a stereotype.  I think he just knew it would be WAY more interesting to have a psychopathic and homophobic (yet gay himself) fanatic masquerading as a missionary, instead of a true Christian, "love thy neighbor no matter what" kind of guy.  The whole story of the movie just doesn't work without this kind of character.

I'm sure if you asked Paul, he'd say he absolutely doesn't think this is what most or all American Christians are like, and that he wasn't trying to enforced that stereotype with MM's character in Blissestrasse.

If any Europeans do actually believe this is what Americans (Floridians or otherwise) are like, that's their own problem and they should get the facts before making assumptions.

Here, in the Lexxverse, we don't do stereotypes.  End of story.



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Forgot to mention, Miami isn't a real part of Florida, but New York with better weather.  :cool:  The real Florida outlies Miami.  One must travel north, south or west of Miami to reach the real Florida. 



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PeridotEyes wrote: Forgot to mention, Miami isn't a real part of Florida, but New York with better weather.  :cool:  The real Florida outlies Miami.  One must travel north, south or west of Miami to reach the real Florida. 
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Squish wrote: I don't truly think that Paul believes such a stereotype.  I think he just knew it would be WAY more interesting to have a psychopathic and homophobic (yet gay himself) fanatic masquerading as a missionary, instead of a true Christian, "love thy neighbor no matter what" kind of guy.  The whole story of the movie just doesn't work without this kind of character.

I'm sure if you asked Paul, he'd say he absolutely doesn't think this is what most or all American Christians are like, and that he wasn't trying to enforced that stereotype with MM's character in Blissestrasse.

If any Europeans do actually believe this is what Americans (Floridians or otherwise) are like, that's their own problem and they should get the facts before making assumptions.

Here, in the Lexxverse, we don't do stereotypes.  End of story.
Unfortunately Paul made a comment in that interview that does seem to indicate that this is how he thinks it is.



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Stereotype?  It's more than likely that some if not most of the most rabid homophobes are closet gays themselves, or bisexual.  We despise most in others the weaknesses we know in ourselves, or something like that. 

The guy who tortured children in an attempt to change their sexuality (he failed) was recently exposed as gay himself.  His psychology was hailed by 'Christians' as a cure for homosexuality.  What a line of fucking bullshit.  God makes us what we are.  I was raised in a fundamentalist religion and those people were disgusting.  Hateful small-minded hypocrites ignored Matthew 7:5 every single day of their lives to pick and choose from Scripture as they wished. 

This cherry-picking has resulted in the Bible being used as a tool to validate human slavery and Jim Crow law.  I heard this myself when I was sitting in church in the Sixties.  It made me a Liberal and a Feminist in one fell swoop. I was 5 years old.  After Civil Rights were here to stay, Communists were demonized.  Oops, nowthe Russians are our friends.  Next the evil Christians (not all of them) had to find someone else at which to point the finger...the AIDS epidemic was handy at the time, oh, let's hate homosexuals!  There must always be a culture of us and them, never mind what Jesus said about loving everyone, He didn't really mean it.  (He just meant loving you and me, not them.  Especially not Muslims, we really don't have to love those people!  [/sarcasm])

That's exactly how it developed, folks.  I was there.  Believe me, one doesn't have to attend regularly to keep a finger upon the pulse of stupidity, prejudice and hatred.  It was hard to give up my childhood church and all the beautiful music because of the message of hatred that kept coming through.  I visited from time to time, but the message never changed.  I couldn't live with it, so I haven't walked through their doors for more than 25 years now.

There are hypocrites in every religion, but in those it's institutionalized.  




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I've often thought that is what is wrong with Phelps.  Except he is is a homophobic coward.  Anyone that spends that much time and energy looking for funerals to go attend and annoy people...

Well I'm sure he'll have some splainin' to do come Judgement Day.



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At the very least...  :xdiablo:



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Unfortunately the media's propensity to follow the rule of "if it bleeds, it leads", means that the really crazy extremist fundamentalists are the ones that get the most press. It gives Christianity a bad name even thought most Christians don't follow the extremist dogma. I've even gotten to the point where I'm 'cautious' when dealing with anyone who wears their religion on their sleeve. It's too bad that religion has gotten to be such a divisive issue.



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There's a Blissestrasse trailer on you tube, alot of scenes with MM and one brief glimpse of Rolf, in one seen MM's dialog is very reminiscent of when he played Psycho Kai with the yellow eyes.

 

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The trailer makes it look a lot more interesting than it actually is, I'm afraid....



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When you see the trailer, I do not think people know that the pastor is gay. There is not strong indications there.
I remember when I showed the trailer for my mother's husband. He just shook his head lol .. I would have seen it in Germany when it opened, but halfway to Berlin my mom called and said I had to turn back. My son was sick. It is true that there are those extreme Christians who receive much publicity in the media. I do not think personally that all Christians are extreme. I think many feel that their beliefs is private. PD is not the first to do extreme movies about gays. I take it with a pinch of salt.



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Thanks to Poozee and Be_You for the find, a clip of MM in the Squamish Five, watch the guy on stage that takes off his mask.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=w9_SRVC3NsA



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