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This just popped up on my Facebook wall -

"What a great turn of events if Hobo With a Shotgun proved to be a career resuscitation for Rutger Hauer. Though he has worked steadily for the last few years, his last really high-profile roles were in 2005, in Sin City and Batman Begins. But Hobo With a Shotgun gave him some new life at festivals, and he had a notable role in The Rite. Now the latest film to bring him into the fold is Dario Argento‘s Dracula 3D, in which the actor will reportedly play Van Helsing."

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wow... this could either be very cool or very very bad. When's the last time you saw a good Dario Argento film? And Dracula in 3D, lol, sounds so bad it might just end up being good.

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Suspiria is actually a favorite of mine. So Having him at the helm of a Dracula film could just turn out well. I think Argento's films are simply lack or white either you love it or you hate it, there is no shade of gray.

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Well, Argento was at his best and most creative in late
70s and early 80s I think - but I still do have some faith in that guy. He has always been good with pain...;-) And blood.
And Rutger Hauer as Van Helsing - that sounds bloody awesome.
I am not holding my breath, but I will keep my fingers crossed.
(I could do without 3D though...)

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Abby1964 wrote: Suspiria is actually a favorite of mine. So Having him at the helm of a Dracula film could just turn out well. I think Argento's films are simply lack or white either you love it or you hate it, there is no shade of gray.
Oh of course. I love Suspiria too. I'm not saying I don't like Dario Argento's films, but as Cesare points out, Argento was really at his best in the 70s early 80s. Not sure if you've seen any of his recent work, but its less than stellar. That is... its watchable on some level, but lacks all of the innovative camera and lighting craziness of his earlier films that really made his films stand out. Who knows though... here's hoping. I know I'll be checking it out.

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Although I love Rutger, I think maybe he's a bit long in the tooth as Van Helsing, I guess I always pictured the character more 40ish.

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This is SO going to rock hard ! I love both Rutger and Argento, I'm a big fan of his early stuff (Suspiria included) and this should prove to be interesting, As for his age, he's actually a good age to play Van Helsing, Anthony Hopkins played him in Bram Stoker's Dracula with Gary Oldman.

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Adrift wrote:
Abby1964 wrote: Suspiria is actually a favorite of mine. So Having him at the helm of a Dracula film could just turn out well. I think Argento's films are simply lack or white either you love it or you hate it, there is no shade of gray.
Oh of course. I love Suspiria too. I'm not saying I don't like Dario Argento's films, but as Cesare points out, Argento was really at his best in the 70s early 80s. Not sure if you've seen any of his recent work, but its less than stellar. That is... its watchable on some level, but lacks all of the innovative camera and lighting craziness of his earlier films that really made his films stand out. Who knows though... here's hoping. I know I'll be checking it out.


I was more speaking on his films individually than as a body of work taken together. Even for fans it seems that each film stands or falls on it's own.

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I have mixed feeling about Dracula. I don't think any of the film versions have gotten it right. They always make Mina a victim, while in the book she was the hero. All the men were falling apart because they couldn't protect their women but she kept it together. She was the one who came up with the plan to kill Dracula. And they always try to make Dracula sexy.  He was not alluring or seductive. None of the women were willing. Dracula is supposed to be icky. Also, it is strange to me how the story of Dracula is so enduring as it is a very mediocre book.

Vampire movies are very rarely good. Yet I keep watching them, hoping for someone to get it right (to me, at least). :P Maybe this will finally be it?! And Rutger Hauer is weird, but the right kind of weird.

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Abby1964 wrote:
I was more speaking on his films individually than as a body of work taken together. Even for fans it seems that each film stands or falls on it's own.

Well that's true. Here's hoping.

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Kaden wrote:
I have mixed feeling about Dracula. I don't think any of the film versions have gotten it right. They always make Mina a victim, while in the book she was the hero. All the men were falling apart because they couldn't protect their women but she kept it together. She was the one who came up with the plan to kill Dracula. And they always try to make Dracula sexy.  He was not alluring or seductive. None of the women were willing. Dracula is supposed to be icky. Also, it is strange to me how the story of Dracula is so enduring as it is a very mediocre book.

Vampire movies are very rarely good. Yet I keep watching them, hoping for someone to get it right (to me, at least). :P Maybe this will finally be it?! And Rutger Hauer is weird, but the right kind of weird.


If you haven't already seen it, you might like Werner Herzog's Nosferatu the Vampyre with Klaus Kinski then. Its a 70s remake of the original silent Nosferatu. One of the most beautiful "Dracula" films I've ever watched. For some reason Herzog switched the names on Lucy and Mina, but her character is strong and more independent, and Dracula is anything but sexy.

That said, I'm a huge fan of Coppola's Dracula. I know a lot of purists aren't so in love with it, but the acting (aside from "woh dude" Keanu) and the look of it is just spectacular to me.

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That is a gorgeous film! It's an over-the-top gothic romance  I love the whole look of it. The costumes especially are swoon inducing. The Vlad look in that film has become iconic. If you ever go to dress up gothy type events you will see many, many versions of it. And I think every goth girl wants Mina's red dress.

Gary Oldman is brilliant and Anthony Hopkins has one of the best lines ever. When Dr. Seward says sarcastically that something came into Lucy's room, sucked out all her blood and then flew out the window, Van Helsing says, "Ya. Why not?" I just love the way he says it. To me, the film was changed so much from the book, what with the addition of the Vlad Tepes stuff, that it really became it's own thing. Which is cool.

I read a really funny interview with Coppola when he was making the film. He was going on and on about the talent and brilliance of Gary Oldman and Anthony Hopkins. And then he said, "And we also have Winona Ryder and Keanu Reeves, who are very pretty." Cracked me up. Still does when I think about it. :D

The original Nosferatu is really creepy, in a good way. It ranks up there on my list of favorite films. But I've never seen the remake, which is silly because Herzog makes amazing films. I will definitely check it out.

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I didn't care too much for the remake of Nosferatu. I think Max Schrek created such a 'creepy' character with Count Orlock. I think Bela Lugosi sensed that and went in the other direction with Dracula Making him more of a suave character.

I agree vampires are supposed to be icky. In the original legends there is nothing sexy or suave about them. They are evil, ugly and bloodthirsty which was the big draw for me with 30 Days of Night. Those vampires were more in keeping with the original stories.

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Kaden wrote: That is a gorgeous film! It's an over-the-top gothic romance  I love the whole look of it. The costumes especially are swoon inducing. The Vlad look in that film has become iconic. If you ever go to dress up gothy type events you will see many, many versions of it. And I think every goth girl wants Mina's red dress.

Gary Oldman is brilliant and Anthony Hopkins has one of the best lines ever. When Dr. Seward says sarcastically that something came into Lucy's room, sucked out all her blood and then flew out the window, Van Helsing says, "Ya. Why not?" I just love the way he says it. To me, the film was changed so much from the book, what with the addition of the Vlad Tepes stuff, that it really became it's own thing. Which is cool.


Yep, agreed with all the above.

I read a really funny interview with Coppola when he was making the film. He was going on and on about the talent and brilliance of Gary Oldman and Anthony Hopkins. And then he said, "And we also have Winona Ryder and Keanu Reeves, who are very pretty." Cracked me up. Still does when I think about it. :D

Haha. that's great.

The original Nosferatu is really creepy, in a good way. It ranks up there on my list of favorite films. But I've never seen the remake, which is silly because Herzog makes amazing films. I will definitely check it out.

I don't think you'll be disappointed.

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Abby1964 wrote: I didn't care too much for the remake of Nosferatu. I think Max Schrek created such a 'creepy' character with Count Orlock. I think Bela Lugosi sensed that and went in the other direction with Dracula Making him more of a suave character.

I agree vampires are supposed to be icky. In the original legends there is nothing sexy or suave about them. They are evil, ugly and bloodthirsty which was the big draw for me with 30 Days of Night. Those vampires were more in keeping with the original stories.

Ah, well different strokes I suppose. I like the Max Schreck original as well, but Herzog's remake is just gorgeous, especially the castle scenes...

I really liked 30 Days of Night too.

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Abby1964 wrote: I didn't care too much for the remake of Nosferatu. I think Max Schrek created such a 'creepy' character with Count Orlock. I think Bela Lugosi sensed that and went in the other direction with Dracula Making him more of a suave character.

I agree vampires are supposed to be icky. In the original legends there is nothing sexy or suave about them. They are evil, ugly and bloodthirsty which was the big draw for me with 30 Days of Night. Those vampires were more in keeping with the original stories.

Ah, well different strokes I suppose. I like the Max Schreck original as well, but Herzog's remake is just gorgeous, especially the castle scenes...

I really liked 30 Days of Night too.


I'm just not a 'remake' person. And the original Nosferatu is very dark in keeping with the darkness of the character for me. The remake with modern filming techniques was too 'revealing' for lack of a better word. The bad lighting and shadows added to the mystique for me. Kind of like the original Dark Shadows compared to the remake. The dark corners and shadows added to the overall tone of the original.

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I'm just not a 'remake' person. And the original Nosferatu is very dark in keeping with the darkness of the character for me. The remake with modern filming techniques was too 'revealing' for lack of a better word. The bad lighting and shadows added to the mystique for me. Kind of like the original Dark Shadows compared to the remake. The dark corners and shadows added to the overall tone of the original.

That's fair. I suppose, for me, I think of it less in terms of a standard remake, and more like an homage to the original. As far as remakes go, I think it did a heck of a lot better than say... the King Kong remakes or something. I can't make valid comparisons between Dark Shadow and its remake because I wasn't much a fan of either series.

I guess I just enjoy both films on their own merit.

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"let the right one in"

now THERE'S a sublime vampire movie. a cinematic masterpiece in any genre.

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You're right, that is a fantastic film. I loved the somber tone and how it fit the subject matter so well. I found it to be a very subtle film, which I quite enjoyed.

One of my favorite vampire movies is Vampire's Kiss. It's always listed in the comedy section, but it's really not a very funny movie. Unless, of course, you look at it from the vampire's perspective. Then it's hilarious. It's about a female vampire who convinces her smarmy yuppie victim that she's turned him into a vampire too, and his subsequent descent into madness. The scene with Nicholas Cage running down the street screaming, "I'm a vampire! I'm a vampire!" gets me every time. :D 

Oh, and the fangs. Mustn't forget about the fangs! :c030a:

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"let the right one in"

now THERE'S a sublime vampire movie. a cinematic masterpiece in any genre.


Yeah, that was a very different take on the whole vampire thing... Ironically I'm not really looking forward to the American remake :P

Other good offbeat vampire films I've always liked include The Hunger, Nadja, and Near Dark. Another vampire movie that sort of creeped me out was Romero's Martin... not sure I actually like that film though.

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One of my favorite vampire movies is Vampire's Kiss. It's always listed in the comedy section, but it's really not a very funny movie. Unless, of course, you look at it from the vampire's perspective. Then it's hilarious. It's about a female vampire who convinces her smarmy yuppie victim that she's turned him into a vampire too, and his subsequent descent into madness. The scene with Nicholas Cage running down the street screaming, "I'm a vampire! I'm a vampire!" gets me every time. :D 

Huh. I've never seen that. I'll have to throw it on my Netflix queue. That was back when I wanted to watch Nicholas Cage when he was doing cool films like Wild at Heart, Peggy Sue Got Married, and Raising Arizona. Man, what happened to him?

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Near Dark is another of my favorites and The Hunger is a classic.

Yeah... not sure what damage Nick Cage is suffering from. I choose to pretend that everything he's done for the last ten years or so does not exist. That way his good early stuff remains unscathed.

I have a weird relationship with the vampire genre. I love it, and yet at the same time it vexes me. I'm always looking for a vampire story, be it film or book or whatever, where the protagonist is not self-pitying. There is a standard behavior that goes along with vampires. They are either completely evil with no redeeming qualities, or they hate what they are. You know, doomed to live forever (?!), preying on humanity, blah, blah, blah. Even my favorite punk rock vampire, Sonja Blue, hates what she is. Because of that, I find even the stories I like (like Near Dark) a little unsatisfying.

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Yeah... not sure what damage Nick Cage is suffering from. I choose to pretend that everything he's done for the last ten years or so does not exist. That way his good early stuff remains unscathed.

Yeah, he made a string of movies that sort of cemented him into this stereotype for big dumb blockbusters. I think it started with The Rock, then continued with Con Air and Face/Off. Its a shame because anything before that was just gold and anything after is dreck.

I have a weird relationship with the vampire genre. I love it, and yet at the same time it vexes me. I'm always looking for a vampire story, be it film or book or whatever, where the protagonist is not self-pitying. There is a standard behavior that goes along with vampires. They are either completely evil with no redeeming qualities, or they hate what they are. You know, doomed to live forever (?!), preying on humanity, blah, blah, blah. Even my favorite punk rock vampire, Sonja Blue, hates what she is. Because of that, I find even the stories I like (like Near Dark) a little unsatisfying.

I don't know who Sonja Blue is. Is that a character from a book?

How I see it I'm more a werewolf fan than vampires, but they don't make any really good werewolf films (with the exception maybe of American Werewolf in London), so I'm stuck watching the vampire films. And I like good horror, so I'm probably not going to stop watching them. I wonder if that means I'm on Team Jacob or something...

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Yeah, Sonja Blue is character from a book. A couple of books, actually. The author is Nancy A. Collins. I describe Sonja Blue as an angry, half-crazed woman with a silver switchblade and a vendetta. She wears Black Flag and Circle Jerks t-shirts and listens to Diamanda Galas. She was attacked by a vampire and left for dead but became a living vampire who hunts vampires. Also, because she didn't transform completely, she has a separate, insane vampire entity living in her brain that she calls 'the Other.' Sounds cooky, but I like the books a lot. Nancy Collins has also written werewolf and revenant stories that are pretty good.

There was a British werewolf movie that came out a couple of years ago that I thought was pretty good called Dog Soldiers. There is a hand-to-hand fight scene between a small, scrappy man and a werewolf that somehow manages to give the small human a chance. But yeah, nothing really beats An American Werewolf in London.

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Adrift wrote: I wonder if that means I'm on Team Jacob or something...

Ha! :D 

I'm against Twilight on sheer principle. Those are not vampires! They are very confused fairies. Fairies sparkle, vampires do not.

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Adrift wrote: I wonder if that means I'm on Team Jacob or something...

Ha! :D 

I'm against Twilight on sheer principle. Those are not vampires! They are very confused fairies. Fairies sparkle, vampires do not.


Oh my god! Warn me the next time you want to commit murder. I almost drowned on a mouthful of water on that one! :bouncebig:

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Kaden wrote: Yeah, Sonja Blue is character from a book. A couple of books, actually. The author is Nancy A. Collins. I describe Sonja Blue as an angry, half-crazed woman with a silver switchblade and a vendetta. She wears Black Flag and Circle Jerks t-shirts and listens to Diamanda Galas. She was attacked by a vampire and left for dead but became a living vampire who hunts vampires. Also, because she didn't transform completely, she has a separate, insane vampire entity living in her brain that she calls 'the Other.' Sounds cooky, but I like the books a lot. Nancy Collins has also written werewolf and revenant stories that are pretty good.

Oh! You had me at Diamanda Galas. Very cool sounding.

There was a British werewolf movie that came out a couple of years ago that I thought was pretty good called Dog Soldiers. There is a hand-to-hand fight scene between a small, scrappy man and a werewolf that somehow manages to give the small human a chance. But yeah, nothing really beats An American Werewolf in London.
Yeah, I have that film on DVD. Great movie. I was sorta exaggerating when I said there's no good werewolf films... there's a few I suppose, but not many. Neil Jordan, the director of Interview with the Vampire and The Crying Game did a neat fantasy type, Little Red Riding Hood based, werewolf film back in the 80s called The Company of Wolves that I like a lot. Very stylish.

I'm against Twilight on sheer principle. Those are not vampires! They are very confused fairies. Fairies sparkle, vampires do not.

LOL

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very atypical but check out Brotherhood of the Wolf. A very different spin

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very atypical but check out Brotherhood of the Wolf. A very different spin

Seen it. Great looking film. I'm a huge movie buff... Outside of a lot of classics pre-dating maybe 1967 or so there aren't really a whole lot of films in this genre I haven't seen.

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very atypical but check out Brotherhood of the Wolf. A very different spin

Seen it. Great looking film. I'm a huge movie buff... Outside of a lot of classics pre-dating maybe 1967 or so there aren't really a whole lot of films in this genre I haven't seen.


I loved the political take on it, using superstition to manipulate the masses. Even going so far as to 'create' the very thing you want them to fear.

Kind of what M Night seemed to be going for in The Village. Too bad that movie did not pull it off. A little more work and it could have been just as brilliant as the concept.

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Kaden wrote: Ha! :D 

I'm against Twilight on sheer principle. Those are not vampires! They are very confused fairies. Fairies sparkle, vampires do not.


snorties!

I'm against it on principal too (though evidently I make an exception for the soundtrack ..).  on the principal that steph meyer should not be allowed to produce dross of that magnitude and make vast amounts of money for her 'troubles'.  no, if anyone's going to earn billions for churning out rudimentary prose at her kitchen table after the kids have gone to bed, it should be me. 

I'm team jacob, for the record :c030a:

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Adrift wrote: Neil Jordan, the director of Interview with the Vampire and The Crying Game did a neat fantasy type, Little Red Riding Hood based, werewolf film back in the 80s called The Company of Wolves that I like a lot. Very stylish.

That's the one I was trying to remember! I was trying to think of all the werewolf movies I've seen and I could not remember the title of that one. I haven't seen it in a while but I really liked it. It combines some of my favorite things: horror and fairy tales (which are sometimes the same thing :P).

I did see Brotherhood of the Wolf but I can't remember much about it. I'll have to re-watch it.

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I'm a huge fan of the horror genre in general. I watch just about everything I can get my hands on. But I'm very disappointed in the current trend of 'torture porn.' I just can't get into those films. Horror films should be suspenseful, not just gross. What you can't see is what's scary. I'm not against sex and violence, they're usually critical to a good story. It just can't only be sex and violence.

Off the subject, but that reminded me of a funny quote. I was watching a documentary about sex in films and a critic said, "The only difference between porn and 'art films' is subtext." I found this funny because I happen to like 'art films.' Especially french ones.

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I take it Mark of the Devil is not on your list of faves then. That was straight up torture porn, if not for the fact that it was set during the Inquisition and actually had a plot line it probably would have been classified as porn. As it was it had the dreaded "X" rating when it came out for violence.

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Actually I meant like Saw and Hostel. Ick.

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I'm a huge fan of the horror genre in general. I watch just about everything I can get my hands on. But I'm very disappointed in the current trend of 'torture porn.' I just can't get into those films. Horror films should be suspenseful, not just gross. What you can't see is what's scary. I'm not against sex and violence, they're usually critical to a good story. It just can't only be sex and violence.

I agree. Torture porn is a turn off. It sort of leaves me feeling dirty after watching it. There's just nothing redeeming in it. A friend and I watched a couple Clive Barker films within weeks of one another; Lords of Illusion and Hellraiser 2, and the FX were cheap and generic by todays standards, but they were so much more satisfying than the latest... you know, Hostel film or whatever.

Off the subject, but that reminded me of a funny quote. I was watching a documentary about sex in films and a critic said, "The only difference between porn and 'art films' is subtext." I found this funny because I happen to like 'art films.' Especially french ones.

French art films are preoccupied with sex I take it? :D I can't remember the last French art film I've seen. Any good recommendations?

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I take it Mark of the Devil is not on your list of faves then. That was straight up torture porn, if not for the fact that it was set during the Inquisition and actually had a plot line it probably would have been classified as porn. As it was it had the dreaded "X" rating when it came out for violence.

There's something about watching 70s films like that though. I can watch Passolini's Salo, or Cannibal Holocaust or films of that nature and part of my mind looks at it as almost educational cinema history. I mean, this is the sort of stuff you might see at some sleazy grindhouse during the period they were released. And that's sort of fascinating to me.

On the other hand, I've never seen Mark of the Devil, and I'm pretty adverse to watching rape scenes, so maybe its not my thing. I hated the original Last House on the Left, and never really felt inclined to watch, like, I Spit on Your Grave, so... I don't know.

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Adrift wrote: French art films are preoccupied with sex I take it? :D I can't remember the last French art film I've seen. Any good recommendations?

Yes they are. :D The French definitely do not have America's hang-ups about sex. My favorite is a film called Anatomy of Hell. It's by a director named Catherine Breillat. She makes some very interesting films dealing with different aspects of sexually and sensuality. Anatomy of Hell is about a woman who hires a gay man to watch her when she is 'unwatchable.'' It's one of those films that you either really like or absolutely hate. It's a very quiet film, and the cinematography is amazing. Whatever film and lighting tricks they used, the woman looks positively radiant. The lighting in the film has sort of a bluish tint and it makes her skin glow.

*Warning: Do not watch it if you are offended by graphic displays.* I have heard some of the graphic scenes described as clinical or gynecological even. The director did not shy away from any of the subject matter and actually went out of her way to make it blatant. Some of it is disturbing (I watched a few scenes through my fingers like people do horror movies :shock:) but the film really affected me. I thought about it for days and days after watching it. I still think about it sometimes, which to me is the mark of a good film.

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Yes they are. :D The French definitely do not have America's hang-ups about sex. My favorite is a film called Anatomy of Hell. It's by a director named Catherine Breillat. She makes some very interesting films dealing with different aspects of sexually and sensuality. Anatomy of Hell is about a woman who hires a gay man to watch her when she is 'unwatchable.'' It's one of those films that you either really like or absolutely hate. It's a very quiet film, and the cinematography is amazing. Whatever film and lighting tricks they used, the woman looks positively radiant. The lighting in the film has sort of a bluish tint and it makes her skin glow.

*Warning: Do not watch it if you are offended by graphic displays.* I have heard some of the graphic scenes described as clinical or gynecological even. The director did not shy away from any of the subject matter and actually went out of her way to make it blatant. Some of it is disturbing (I watched a few scenes through my fingers like people do horror movies :shock:) but the film really affected me. I thought about it for days and days after watching it. I still think about it sometimes, which to me is the mark of a good film.


Sounds like something I'll have to check out :P

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I think that a lot of those films today were probably inspired by Mark of the Devil. It successfully took straight up sexual violence and brought it out into the mainstream. Instead of coating the Inquisition in piousness, it acknowledged the motivations and and sexual inclinations of the 'witch hunters'.

I think that paved the way for a lot of what we are seeing today especially with Hostel. The motivation is nothing more than the rich and powerful getting their jollies from torturing helpless victims.

Saw at least did have a storyline although you had to actually watch the first five to connect all the dots. Jigsaw did have an 'unselfish' motivation for his horrendous acts. There was a meaning behind his madness, it wasn't just madness for the sake of madness. Lucky for me I got the box set for Christmas. I would never have watched 2-5 otherwise because the first one just blew.

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I only saw the first Saw. :P Maybe that's the problem.

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I take it Mark of the Devil is not on your list of faves then. That was straight up torture porn, if not for the fact that it was set during the Inquisition and actually had a plot line it probably would have been classified as porn. As it was it had the dreaded "X" rating when it came out for violence.

There's something about watching 70s films like that though. I can watch Passolini's Salo, or Cannibal Holocaust or films of that nature and part of my mind looks at it as almost educational cinema history. I mean, this is the sort of stuff you might see at some sleazy grindhouse during the period they were released. And that's sort of fascinating to me.

On the other hand, I've never seen Mark of the Devil, and I'm pretty adverse to watching rape scenes, so maybe its not my thing. I hated the original Last House on the Left, and never really felt inclined to watch, like, I Spit on Your Grave, so... I don't know.


There really aren't any actual rape scenes. Instead you get a first hand look at all the medieval torture implements and the 'joy' that the witch hunter takes in his work, the way he uses his position to slake his greed and lust. It is more a statement on the Inquisition and the sadists who used it to find helpless often innocent victims.

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I would never have watched 2-5 otherwise because the first one just blew.

I think the first one is the only one I sort of liked :D I remember watching it thinking it was like a poor man's Se7en. I saw the following 3 and decided I had enough. :)

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There really aren't any actual rape scenes. Instead you get a first hand look at all the medieval torture implements and the 'joy' that the witch hunter takes in his work, the way he uses his position to slake his greed and lust. It is more a statement on the Inquisition and the sadists who used it to find helpless often innocent victims.


Ah, okay. Then I'll probably have to hunt it down.

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I only saw the first Saw. :P Maybe that's the problem.

I had only seen the first one too and it was pretty stupid in my book, pretty much just gratuitous violence. But by the end of the fifth one you understood exactly what Jigsaw's goal was and what had lead him to that point. You realize that in his own twisted way he really wanted his victims to survive.

The series of traps in the fifth one really point this out. It's not until the last trap that the last two victims figure out that no one had to die.

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I would never have watched 2-5 otherwise because the first one just blew.

I think the first one is the only one I sort of liked :D I remember watching it thinking it was like a poor man's Se7en. I saw the following 3 and decided I had enough. :)


It was with 5 that everything fell into place and all of the dots were connected.

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I would never have watched 2-5 otherwise because the first one just blew.

I think the first one is the only one I sort of liked :D I remember watching it thinking it was like a poor man's Se7en. I saw the following 3 and decided I had enough. :)


It was with 5 that everything fell into place and all of the dots were connected.


Drats. Had I only held out one more film. :D To be honest, after the first film I can't visualize where they begin and end, they all sort of merge together in my mind. Is the 6th and 7th ones any good?

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That reminds me, I read that there are 27 sequels coming out this year. The most ever. How sad is that? We might never see another original story ever.

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I haven't seen those. I am not sure I want to. Jigsaw is dead-I can't see anyone having the motivation he had. But I'll probably break down and buy them now when they hit the bargain bin at the store. I've found some treasures in that thing.

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I'm not a fan of sequels at all, the only reason I give Saw a pass is because of the continuity of the story. There was no way they could have fit everything into one movie.

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Adrift wrote: A friend and I watched a couple Clive Barker films within weeks of one another; Lords of Illusion and Hellraiser 2, and the FX were cheap and generic by todays standards, but they were so much more satisfying than the latest... you know, Hostel film or whatever.

Speaking of Clive Barker, Night Breed is on my list of favorites. There's just something about that movie... all the different 'monsters' are amazing. Ooh, and David Cronenberg is in it, as an actor, but he's one of my favorite directors. It's one of the films I always go back to and re-watch.

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Night Breed was a good one. I make it a point to watch that one every time it comes on too.

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Yeah, Nightbreed is one of my favorite fantasy films of all time. It was terribly underrated on its release due to very bad promotion that billed the film as a slasher pic rather than a horror fantasy film. Clive Barker was really upset about this apparently. It was also never screened to critics because the production company didn't think it would be something that would appeal to them. Its sad because Nightbreed is really a precursor to all types of horror fantasy that is now the hallmark of popular directors like Guillermo del Toro. Specifically Pan's Labyrinth, and to a lessor degree films like Hellboy 1 and 2 and non-del Toro stuff like Underworld and Resident Evil. I think it was a movie before its time really. Oh yeah, and Cronenberg's role is just wonderful. He plays intelligent and creepy just right. I'm also a huge fan of his directorial work.

I'm really looking forward to a blu-ray release of this film. From what I've read, I guess there was a huge amount of extra footage on the cutting room floor, and recently there was an online push to have a lot of it reinserted as part of a directors cut, but it seems like the production company lost the original film and all that currently exists are rough workcut prints of the missing film. It also seems that there was originally a plan to create a sequel, but that of course fell through when the film bombed.

I'd really love to see a restored and uncut version of this and Dune, but I doubt we'll ever see either outside of maybe some sort of fan edit, but even fan edits can only go so far with the available material. I read about a guy who is planning on recreating missing scenes in Dune using his own home studio CGI. Should be interesting...

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Clive Barker has done some wonderful work Candyman is another one of my must see films.

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Adrift wrote: Yeah, Nightbreed is one of my favorite fantasy films of all time. It was terribly underrated on its release due to very bad promotion that billed the film as a slasher pic rather than a horror fantasy film. Clive Barker was really upset about this apparently. It was also never screened to critics because the production company didn't think it would be something that would appeal to them. Its sad because Nightbreed is really a precursor to all types of horror fantasy that is now the hallmark of popular directors like Guillermo del Toro. Specifically Pan's Labyrinth, and to a lessor degree films like Hellboy 1 and 2 and non-del Toro stuff like Underworld and Resident Evil. I think it was a movie before its time really. Oh yeah, and Cronenberg's role is just wonderful. He plays intelligent and creepy just right. I'm also a huge fan of his directorial work.

I'm really looking forward to a blu-ray release of this film. From what I've read, I guess there was a huge amount of extra footage on the cutting room floor, and recently there was an online push to have a lot of it reinserted as part of a directors cut, but it seems like the production company lost the original film and all that currently exists are rough workcut prints of the missing film. It also seems that there was originally a plan to create a sequel, but that of course fell through when the film bombed.

I'd really love to see a restored and uncut version of this and Dune, but I doubt we'll ever see either outside of maybe some sort of fan edit, but even fan edits can only go so far with the available material. I read about a guy who is planning on recreating missing scenes in Dune using his own home studio CGI. Should be interesting...

Egads, what I wouldn't give to see additional footage! And in hi-def would be absolutely incredible. I never thought about Nightbreed being a precursor to horror fantasy films of today, but I think you're right about that. It really does get overlooked. Clive Barker definitely does not get the credit he deserves for creating something so original. Now I want to watch it again. :D Dune, too. Haven't seen that for many, many moons.

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Kaden wrote: Adrift wrote: A friend and I watched a couple Clive Barker films within weeks of one another; Lords of Illusion and Hellraiser 2, and the FX were cheap and generic by todays standards, but they were so much more satisfying than the latest... you know, Hostel film or whatever.

Speaking of Clive Barker, Night Breed is on my list of favorites. There's just something about that movie... all the different 'monsters' are amazing. Ooh, and David Cronenberg is in it, as an actor, but he's one of my favorite directors. It's one of the films I always go back to and re-watch.

David Cronenberg is a twisted genius, just watch 'Dead Ringers' and tell me you don't agree. And that burlap bag he wore over his head during the ending chase scenes  appears to be the  inspiration for the same kind of head bag in the Christian Bale version of Batman with the crazy bad guy, Cillian Murphy.

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Dead Ringers is one of the top two creepiest movies I've ever seen. (The other being Kissed, a movie about a woman who is necrophiliac and the med student who is fascinated by her 'hobby.' I actually rented it by mistake because I confused the lead actress with someone else. I saw her name and didn't bother to read the movie description. Needless to say I was surprised when I got home and pressed play. It was like seeing a car wreck, I couldn't look away. It wasn't exactly a bad movie, but I still get creeped out when I think about it.) But yeah, Dead Ringers... I will never again be able to look at Jeremy Irons without thinking of the 'medical implements.' *shivers*

Cronenberg's mask was waaaaay creepier than the one in Batman. Horror movies don't really scare me, but his look in Nightbreed came close!

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Man, I haven't seen Dead Ringers in forever, but yeah... that's where I fell in love with Jeremy Irons acting too. He seems very underrated and underused in Hollywood. Dieter Laser reminds me a bit of him in that they both can play creepy pretty well, but more than that, they both have very intense presences on screen. They don't have to even say anything and they're interesting to watch.

Cronenberg has so many great films though... he's made a few I didn't care for that much, but for the most part he's one of my favorites.

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I just read that Tarsem Singh is making a film version of Snow White. It should be amazing. He hasn't made very many movies, only The Fall and The Cell, but his visuals are absolutely stunning. He makes commercials in Europe and he made the video for REM's Losing My Religion. The Cell had some very beautiful and interesting moments but the story was lousy. It was a studio film and Tarsem didn't write it so I don't hold that against him. But The Fall... The Fall is possibly my most favoritist movie of all time. The cinematography is unbelievable. Literally. It was shot in over 20 countries all over the world using no CGI. It is so breathtakingly beautiful that it can't possibly be real. But it is! A swimming elephant, an island shaped like a flutterby, and a staircase that looks like it was taken from an M.C. Escher picture. All real! I was in awe when I first saw it. I had to watch it several times and it just got better. I can't say enough about it. Oh, and the story is good too. :D And now Snow White. I can't wait. The man truly has a gift for visual art.

(Oops!  :shock:  Probably should have put this in the movies thread. Sorry!):BigB:

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Adrift wrote: Man, I haven't seen Dead Ringers in forever, but yeah... that's where I fell in love with Jeremy Irons acting too. He seems very underrated and underused in Hollywood. Dieter Laser reminds me a bit of him in that they both can play creepy pretty well, but more than that, they both have very intense presences on screen. They don't have to even say anything and they're interesting to watch.

Cronenberg has so many great films though... he's made a few I didn't care for that much, but for the most part he's one of my favorites.


What, you didn't like 'Videodrome' ?  Long live the New Flesh !  :2567:

Oh, btw, Jeremy Irons DOES actually have a sense of humor, who knew? I saw a hysterical UK show comedy snippet where he parodied Alan Rickman's version of 'Snape', right down to the wig and outfit,  and it was hilarious. If Rickman ever had turned down one of the films, Irons would have had the part, hands down.

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I just read that Tarsem Singh is making a film version of Snow White. It should be amazing. He hasn't made very many movies, only The Fall and The Cell, but his visuals are absolutely stunning. He makes commercials in Europe and he made the video for REM's Losing My Religion. The Cell had some very beautiful and interesting moments but the story was lousy. It was a studio film and Tarsem didn't write it so I don't hold that against him. But The Fall... The Fall is possibly my most favoritist movie of all time. The cinematography is unbelievable. Literally. It was shot in over 20 countries all over the world using no CGI. It is so breathtakingly beautiful that it can't possibly be real. But it is! A swimming elephant, an island shaped like a flutterby, and a staircase that looks like it was taken from an M.C. Escher picture. All real! I was in awe when I first saw it. I had to watch it several times and it just got better. I can't say enough about it. Oh, and the story is good too. :D And now Snow White. I can't wait. The man truly has a gift for visual art.

(Oops!  :shock:  Probably should have put this in the movies thread. Sorry!):BigB:


Yeah, The Fall was great. I caught that on Netflix and wasn't expecting much because user reviews were sort of "meh". I was very pleasantly surprised by how wonderfully crafted it was. Had me pretty choked up too. I love visually brilliant surrealist type films like that. The Cell did suffer from a poor storyline, but was wonderful to look at. Proves that you can't make a successful film with lots of flash and little substance. Mirrormask was a bit of the same. So imaginative. So beautiful to look at, but suffers from lack of engaging storyline.

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What, you didn't like 'Videodrome' ?  Long live the New Flesh !  :2567:

Oh, no Videodrome is a big time favorite. I borrowed the Criterion Collection version of that film from a friend and never gave it back (I gotta give it back, now I feel bad), but haven't actually seen it in years. I should pop it in one of these nights to refresh my memory. No, the Cronenberg films I'm not that big a fan of include M Butterfly, Spider, and believe it or not... A History of Violence. I think I was expecting something else with that one. He more than made up in my opinion with Eastern Promises. I've heard talk of a sequel to that. I hope he does that one too.

Oh, btw, Jeremy Irons DOES actually have a sense of humor, who knew? I saw a hysterical UK show comedy snippet where he parodied Alan Rickman's version of 'Snape', right down to the wig and outfit,  and it was hilarious. If Rickman ever had turned down one of the films, Irons would have had the part, hands down.


That's great. I've only seen a couple of the Harry Potter films, and wasn't a big fan of them. I never read the books... I was 22 or 23 and working in a bookstore when the first one came out and wasn't really interested in reading them at the time, though they were flying off the shelf. I saw the first film and I think the second one, and thought to myself that, for a movie based on a kids book it had an extremely complicated plot. I found the first one a bit hard to follow and I think fell asleep watching it at one point. At any rate, I'd love to see Jeremy Irons take on Snape. Its gotta be hilarious. I wonder if its on Youtube.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8vQtOYFgc

Here's the whole show with French and Saunders parodying HP, on the Brits and Clips website, it's down on the lower left, under Comic Relief.

http://britbitsandclips.com/AR_HP.htm

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Ok, here are the links to Part 1 and Part 2 of the Comic Relelif show parodying HP,

Hold on to your seats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9onI92OxBHY&nofeather=True

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjWGgWnd6Ec&nofeather=True

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Adrift wrote: Oh, no Videodrome is a big time favorite. I borrowed the Criterion Collection version of that film from a friend and never gave it back (I gotta give it back, now I feel bad), but haven't actually seen it in years. I should pop it in one of these nights to refresh my memory. No, the Cronenberg films I'm not that big a fan of include M Butterfly, Spider, and believe it or not... A History of Violence. I think I was expecting something else with that one. He more than made up in my opinion with Eastern Promises. I've heard talk of a sequel to that. I hope he does that one too.
Eastern Promises was so good. I generally don't care for sequals but I'm willing to make an exception. :D I thought I would really like A History of Violence, but... eh. Haven't seen Spider and M Butterfly was not what I expected. I really like Cronenberg's more surreal films. Lately his projects have been a little more mainstream. Still good, but more mainstream.

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mayaXXX wrote: Ok, here are the links to Part 1 and Part 2 of the Comic Relelif show parodying HP,

Hold on to your seats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9onI92OxBHY&nofeather=True

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjWGgWnd6Ec&nofeather=True

The chamberpot has been emptied! :shock:

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For those of you that asked about some of my rock pictures, here's a link to my Facebook page, where I've uploaded a bunch of them.

http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=1336326863


All it showed was your profile pics

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Yeah, you have to be friended on Facebook, but it only takes a minute. If you send me the request, I'll OK it. It's set that way for privacy.

Ok, I opened up the Photos for non-members, try it again.

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appreciate your efforts for the technodunces :)

sadly, the dang thing still just asks me to log in.  wtf, I says.

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I'm not on Facebook either. We must be anti-social. :P

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hehehe .... indeed!

I sorta despise social networking.  I can't even really articulate why that is ... I just do

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I concur with all of that. Social networking is bleh, except for this, of course. For me, all things Lexx-related are the exception. Ah, the complexities of the human mind. :D

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actually I'm okay with a few forums :P

it's just that 'record every move I make' twittery stuff that bamboozles.  it strikes me as a bit tooooo psychiatric, you know ....



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