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 Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 11:27 pm

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I would never have watched 2-5 otherwise because the first one just blew.

I think the first one is the only one I sort of liked :D I remember watching it thinking it was like a poor man's Se7en. I saw the following 3 and decided I had enough. :)


It was with 5 that everything fell into place and all of the dots were connected.



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I would never have watched 2-5 otherwise because the first one just blew.

I think the first one is the only one I sort of liked :D I remember watching it thinking it was like a poor man's Se7en. I saw the following 3 and decided I had enough. :)


It was with 5 that everything fell into place and all of the dots were connected.


Drats. Had I only held out one more film. :D To be honest, after the first film I can't visualize where they begin and end, they all sort of merge together in my mind. Is the 6th and 7th ones any good?

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That reminds me, I read that there are 27 sequels coming out this year. The most ever. How sad is that? We might never see another original story ever.



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I haven't seen those. I am not sure I want to. Jigsaw is dead-I can't see anyone having the motivation he had. But I'll probably break down and buy them now when they hit the bargain bin at the store. I've found some treasures in that thing.



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I'm not a fan of sequels at all, the only reason I give Saw a pass is because of the continuity of the story. There was no way they could have fit everything into one movie.



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Adrift wrote: A friend and I watched a couple Clive Barker films within weeks of one another; Lords of Illusion and Hellraiser 2, and the FX were cheap and generic by todays standards, but they were so much more satisfying than the latest... you know, Hostel film or whatever.

Speaking of Clive Barker, Night Breed is on my list of favorites. There's just something about that movie... all the different 'monsters' are amazing. Ooh, and David Cronenberg is in it, as an actor, but he's one of my favorite directors. It's one of the films I always go back to and re-watch.



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Night Breed was a good one. I make it a point to watch that one every time it comes on too.



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Yeah, Nightbreed is one of my favorite fantasy films of all time. It was terribly underrated on its release due to very bad promotion that billed the film as a slasher pic rather than a horror fantasy film. Clive Barker was really upset about this apparently. It was also never screened to critics because the production company didn't think it would be something that would appeal to them. Its sad because Nightbreed is really a precursor to all types of horror fantasy that is now the hallmark of popular directors like Guillermo del Toro. Specifically Pan's Labyrinth, and to a lessor degree films like Hellboy 1 and 2 and non-del Toro stuff like Underworld and Resident Evil. I think it was a movie before its time really. Oh yeah, and Cronenberg's role is just wonderful. He plays intelligent and creepy just right. I'm also a huge fan of his directorial work.

I'm really looking forward to a blu-ray release of this film. From what I've read, I guess there was a huge amount of extra footage on the cutting room floor, and recently there was an online push to have a lot of it reinserted as part of a directors cut, but it seems like the production company lost the original film and all that currently exists are rough workcut prints of the missing film. It also seems that there was originally a plan to create a sequel, but that of course fell through when the film bombed.

I'd really love to see a restored and uncut version of this and Dune, but I doubt we'll ever see either outside of maybe some sort of fan edit, but even fan edits can only go so far with the available material. I read about a guy who is planning on recreating missing scenes in Dune using his own home studio CGI. Should be interesting...

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Clive Barker has done some wonderful work Candyman is another one of my must see films.



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Adrift wrote: Yeah, Nightbreed is one of my favorite fantasy films of all time. It was terribly underrated on its release due to very bad promotion that billed the film as a slasher pic rather than a horror fantasy film. Clive Barker was really upset about this apparently. It was also never screened to critics because the production company didn't think it would be something that would appeal to them. Its sad because Nightbreed is really a precursor to all types of horror fantasy that is now the hallmark of popular directors like Guillermo del Toro. Specifically Pan's Labyrinth, and to a lessor degree films like Hellboy 1 and 2 and non-del Toro stuff like Underworld and Resident Evil. I think it was a movie before its time really. Oh yeah, and Cronenberg's role is just wonderful. He plays intelligent and creepy just right. I'm also a huge fan of his directorial work.

I'm really looking forward to a blu-ray release of this film. From what I've read, I guess there was a huge amount of extra footage on the cutting room floor, and recently there was an online push to have a lot of it reinserted as part of a directors cut, but it seems like the production company lost the original film and all that currently exists are rough workcut prints of the missing film. It also seems that there was originally a plan to create a sequel, but that of course fell through when the film bombed.

I'd really love to see a restored and uncut version of this and Dune, but I doubt we'll ever see either outside of maybe some sort of fan edit, but even fan edits can only go so far with the available material. I read about a guy who is planning on recreating missing scenes in Dune using his own home studio CGI. Should be interesting...

Egads, what I wouldn't give to see additional footage! And in hi-def would be absolutely incredible. I never thought about Nightbreed being a precursor to horror fantasy films of today, but I think you're right about that. It really does get overlooked. Clive Barker definitely does not get the credit he deserves for creating something so original. Now I want to watch it again. :D Dune, too. Haven't seen that for many, many moons.



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Kaden wrote: Adrift wrote: A friend and I watched a couple Clive Barker films within weeks of one another; Lords of Illusion and Hellraiser 2, and the FX were cheap and generic by todays standards, but they were so much more satisfying than the latest... you know, Hostel film or whatever.

Speaking of Clive Barker, Night Breed is on my list of favorites. There's just something about that movie... all the different 'monsters' are amazing. Ooh, and David Cronenberg is in it, as an actor, but he's one of my favorite directors. It's one of the films I always go back to and re-watch.

David Cronenberg is a twisted genius, just watch 'Dead Ringers' and tell me you don't agree. And that burlap bag he wore over his head during the ending chase scenes  appears to be the  inspiration for the same kind of head bag in the Christian Bale version of Batman with the crazy bad guy, Cillian Murphy.



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Dead Ringers is one of the top two creepiest movies I've ever seen. (The other being Kissed, a movie about a woman who is necrophiliac and the med student who is fascinated by her 'hobby.' I actually rented it by mistake because I confused the lead actress with someone else. I saw her name and didn't bother to read the movie description. Needless to say I was surprised when I got home and pressed play. It was like seeing a car wreck, I couldn't look away. It wasn't exactly a bad movie, but I still get creeped out when I think about it.) But yeah, Dead Ringers... I will never again be able to look at Jeremy Irons without thinking of the 'medical implements.' *shivers*

Cronenberg's mask was waaaaay creepier than the one in Batman. Horror movies don't really scare me, but his look in Nightbreed came close!



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Man, I haven't seen Dead Ringers in forever, but yeah... that's where I fell in love with Jeremy Irons acting too. He seems very underrated and underused in Hollywood. Dieter Laser reminds me a bit of him in that they both can play creepy pretty well, but more than that, they both have very intense presences on screen. They don't have to even say anything and they're interesting to watch.

Cronenberg has so many great films though... he's made a few I didn't care for that much, but for the most part he's one of my favorites.

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I just read that Tarsem Singh is making a film version of Snow White. It should be amazing. He hasn't made very many movies, only The Fall and The Cell, but his visuals are absolutely stunning. He makes commercials in Europe and he made the video for REM's Losing My Religion. The Cell had some very beautiful and interesting moments but the story was lousy. It was a studio film and Tarsem didn't write it so I don't hold that against him. But The Fall... The Fall is possibly my most favoritist movie of all time. The cinematography is unbelievable. Literally. It was shot in over 20 countries all over the world using no CGI. It is so breathtakingly beautiful that it can't possibly be real. But it is! A swimming elephant, an island shaped like a flutterby, and a staircase that looks like it was taken from an M.C. Escher picture. All real! I was in awe when I first saw it. I had to watch it several times and it just got better. I can't say enough about it. Oh, and the story is good too. :D And now Snow White. I can't wait. The man truly has a gift for visual art.

(Oops!  :shock:  Probably should have put this in the movies thread. Sorry!):BigB:

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Adrift wrote: Man, I haven't seen Dead Ringers in forever, but yeah... that's where I fell in love with Jeremy Irons acting too. He seems very underrated and underused in Hollywood. Dieter Laser reminds me a bit of him in that they both can play creepy pretty well, but more than that, they both have very intense presences on screen. They don't have to even say anything and they're interesting to watch.

Cronenberg has so many great films though... he's made a few I didn't care for that much, but for the most part he's one of my favorites.


What, you didn't like 'Videodrome' ?  Long live the New Flesh !  :2567:

Oh, btw, Jeremy Irons DOES actually have a sense of humor, who knew? I saw a hysterical UK show comedy snippet where he parodied Alan Rickman's version of 'Snape', right down to the wig and outfit,  and it was hilarious. If Rickman ever had turned down one of the films, Irons would have had the part, hands down.



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