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 Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2011 06:31 pm

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Kaden wrote: Ha! :D 

I'm against Twilight on sheer principle. Those are not vampires! They are very confused fairies. Fairies sparkle, vampires do not.


snorties!

I'm against it on principal too (though evidently I make an exception for the soundtrack ..).  on the principal that steph meyer should not be allowed to produce dross of that magnitude and make vast amounts of money for her 'troubles'.  no, if anyone's going to earn billions for churning out rudimentary prose at her kitchen table after the kids have gone to bed, it should be me. 

I'm team jacob, for the record :c030a:

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Adrift wrote: Neil Jordan, the director of Interview with the Vampire and The Crying Game did a neat fantasy type, Little Red Riding Hood based, werewolf film back in the 80s called The Company of Wolves that I like a lot. Very stylish.

That's the one I was trying to remember! I was trying to think of all the werewolf movies I've seen and I could not remember the title of that one. I haven't seen it in a while but I really liked it. It combines some of my favorite things: horror and fairy tales (which are sometimes the same thing :P).

I did see Brotherhood of the Wolf but I can't remember much about it. I'll have to re-watch it.



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I'm a huge fan of the horror genre in general. I watch just about everything I can get my hands on. But I'm very disappointed in the current trend of 'torture porn.' I just can't get into those films. Horror films should be suspenseful, not just gross. What you can't see is what's scary. I'm not against sex and violence, they're usually critical to a good story. It just can't only be sex and violence.

Off the subject, but that reminded me of a funny quote. I was watching a documentary about sex in films and a critic said, "The only difference between porn and 'art films' is subtext." I found this funny because I happen to like 'art films.' Especially french ones.



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I take it Mark of the Devil is not on your list of faves then. That was straight up torture porn, if not for the fact that it was set during the Inquisition and actually had a plot line it probably would have been classified as porn. As it was it had the dreaded "X" rating when it came out for violence.



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Actually I meant like Saw and Hostel. Ick.



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I'm a huge fan of the horror genre in general. I watch just about everything I can get my hands on. But I'm very disappointed in the current trend of 'torture porn.' I just can't get into those films. Horror films should be suspenseful, not just gross. What you can't see is what's scary. I'm not against sex and violence, they're usually critical to a good story. It just can't only be sex and violence.

I agree. Torture porn is a turn off. It sort of leaves me feeling dirty after watching it. There's just nothing redeeming in it. A friend and I watched a couple Clive Barker films within weeks of one another; Lords of Illusion and Hellraiser 2, and the FX were cheap and generic by todays standards, but they were so much more satisfying than the latest... you know, Hostel film or whatever.

Off the subject, but that reminded me of a funny quote. I was watching a documentary about sex in films and a critic said, "The only difference between porn and 'art films' is subtext." I found this funny because I happen to like 'art films.' Especially french ones.

French art films are preoccupied with sex I take it? :D I can't remember the last French art film I've seen. Any good recommendations?

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I take it Mark of the Devil is not on your list of faves then. That was straight up torture porn, if not for the fact that it was set during the Inquisition and actually had a plot line it probably would have been classified as porn. As it was it had the dreaded "X" rating when it came out for violence.

There's something about watching 70s films like that though. I can watch Passolini's Salo, or Cannibal Holocaust or films of that nature and part of my mind looks at it as almost educational cinema history. I mean, this is the sort of stuff you might see at some sleazy grindhouse during the period they were released. And that's sort of fascinating to me.

On the other hand, I've never seen Mark of the Devil, and I'm pretty adverse to watching rape scenes, so maybe its not my thing. I hated the original Last House on the Left, and never really felt inclined to watch, like, I Spit on Your Grave, so... I don't know.

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Adrift wrote: French art films are preoccupied with sex I take it? :D I can't remember the last French art film I've seen. Any good recommendations?

Yes they are. :D The French definitely do not have America's hang-ups about sex. My favorite is a film called Anatomy of Hell. It's by a director named Catherine Breillat. She makes some very interesting films dealing with different aspects of sexually and sensuality. Anatomy of Hell is about a woman who hires a gay man to watch her when she is 'unwatchable.'' It's one of those films that you either really like or absolutely hate. It's a very quiet film, and the cinematography is amazing. Whatever film and lighting tricks they used, the woman looks positively radiant. The lighting in the film has sort of a bluish tint and it makes her skin glow.

*Warning: Do not watch it if you are offended by graphic displays.* I have heard some of the graphic scenes described as clinical or gynecological even. The director did not shy away from any of the subject matter and actually went out of her way to make it blatant. Some of it is disturbing (I watched a few scenes through my fingers like people do horror movies :shock:) but the film really affected me. I thought about it for days and days after watching it. I still think about it sometimes, which to me is the mark of a good film.



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Yes they are. :D The French definitely do not have America's hang-ups about sex. My favorite is a film called Anatomy of Hell. It's by a director named Catherine Breillat. She makes some very interesting films dealing with different aspects of sexually and sensuality. Anatomy of Hell is about a woman who hires a gay man to watch her when she is 'unwatchable.'' It's one of those films that you either really like or absolutely hate. It's a very quiet film, and the cinematography is amazing. Whatever film and lighting tricks they used, the woman looks positively radiant. The lighting in the film has sort of a bluish tint and it makes her skin glow.

*Warning: Do not watch it if you are offended by graphic displays.* I have heard some of the graphic scenes described as clinical or gynecological even. The director did not shy away from any of the subject matter and actually went out of her way to make it blatant. Some of it is disturbing (I watched a few scenes through my fingers like people do horror movies :shock:) but the film really affected me. I thought about it for days and days after watching it. I still think about it sometimes, which to me is the mark of a good film.


Sounds like something I'll have to check out :P

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I think that a lot of those films today were probably inspired by Mark of the Devil. It successfully took straight up sexual violence and brought it out into the mainstream. Instead of coating the Inquisition in piousness, it acknowledged the motivations and and sexual inclinations of the 'witch hunters'.

I think that paved the way for a lot of what we are seeing today especially with Hostel. The motivation is nothing more than the rich and powerful getting their jollies from torturing helpless victims.

Saw at least did have a storyline although you had to actually watch the first five to connect all the dots. Jigsaw did have an 'unselfish' motivation for his horrendous acts. There was a meaning behind his madness, it wasn't just madness for the sake of madness. Lucky for me I got the box set for Christmas. I would never have watched 2-5 otherwise because the first one just blew.



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I only saw the first Saw. :P Maybe that's the problem.



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I take it Mark of the Devil is not on your list of faves then. That was straight up torture porn, if not for the fact that it was set during the Inquisition and actually had a plot line it probably would have been classified as porn. As it was it had the dreaded "X" rating when it came out for violence.

There's something about watching 70s films like that though. I can watch Passolini's Salo, or Cannibal Holocaust or films of that nature and part of my mind looks at it as almost educational cinema history. I mean, this is the sort of stuff you might see at some sleazy grindhouse during the period they were released. And that's sort of fascinating to me.

On the other hand, I've never seen Mark of the Devil, and I'm pretty adverse to watching rape scenes, so maybe its not my thing. I hated the original Last House on the Left, and never really felt inclined to watch, like, I Spit on Your Grave, so... I don't know.


There really aren't any actual rape scenes. Instead you get a first hand look at all the medieval torture implements and the 'joy' that the witch hunter takes in his work, the way he uses his position to slake his greed and lust. It is more a statement on the Inquisition and the sadists who used it to find helpless often innocent victims.



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I would never have watched 2-5 otherwise because the first one just blew.

I think the first one is the only one I sort of liked :D I remember watching it thinking it was like a poor man's Se7en. I saw the following 3 and decided I had enough. :)

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There really aren't any actual rape scenes. Instead you get a first hand look at all the medieval torture implements and the 'joy' that the witch hunter takes in his work, the way he uses his position to slake his greed and lust. It is more a statement on the Inquisition and the sadists who used it to find helpless often innocent victims.


Ah, okay. Then I'll probably have to hunt it down.

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I only saw the first Saw. :P Maybe that's the problem.

I had only seen the first one too and it was pretty stupid in my book, pretty much just gratuitous violence. But by the end of the fifth one you understood exactly what Jigsaw's goal was and what had lead him to that point. You realize that in his own twisted way he really wanted his victims to survive.

The series of traps in the fifth one really point this out. It's not until the last trap that the last two victims figure out that no one had to die.



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