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 Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 06:44 am

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If you want to see some truly bizarre horror, watch Thai movies, they are demented. One in particular is 'Boxers Omen', and you have to see it to beleive it.

 


Now you've piqued my curiosity and I have to find that film :D

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 Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 12:23 pm

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I spent a year in Korea and got into a few Asian horror movies at the time. The culture is more reserved and yet more open at the same time. It's nothing to see two guys walking sown the street holding hands (It almost like two female teen BFF's it not a sexual thing) but on The other hand you won't see much 'affection shown between the sexes. So you are right it probably is a culture thing. Now for me American movies annoy me in that no story can be told without 'sex'. No matter the situation or the plot there's going to be sex, that is missing in most Asian films it seems that more energy is focused on the story instead of using the plot as a background for 'sex' part of the story

Why were you in Korea? Were you stationed there in the military? Because I had a similar experience in the Airforce in Germany. Adult females often have no problem holding hands as they're walking about. Odd how Americans are so touchy feely, yet we get stranged out by things like that. Germans seem very reserved when it comes to newcomers, yet once they know you, you're like family.


Yes 13 months at Yongsan. And I remember on the bus that took us from The airbase in Osan to Yonsan two things stick with me; the smell I was there before the 'cleaned up' for the Olympics, seeing guys walking along holding hands and jumping to the wrong conclusion but in a good way. I was marveling that the culture was so open and accepting of homosexuality. I soon learned that it was friendship thing and not a sex thing when I got out and started mixing with the locals.

I still remember the first movie I saw there in a little off post theater (All of the movies were dubbed in Korean with English subtitles) it was called Vampires from Happy Mountain (At least that was the English subtitle of the film). It was part of a double feature with 48 Hours. That was truly interesting Eddie Murphy and Nick Nolte were speaking Korean.



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 Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 12:46 pm

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I have mixed feelings about sex in films. I have no problem with it if it helps move the narrative along. But when it's gratuitous... bleh. On the other hand, it bugs me when the subject matter calls for it and the director or actors shy away from it. Too much or not enough can hurt the quality of a film. A good example is the Oliver Stone film Alexander. The main character was supposed to be bi-sexual. He and his lover have this moment in the camp before they're about to go into battle where they declare their love for each other. And then they hug. Platonically. Zero chemistry, zero heat. If that moment had been between a man and woman they would have kissed passionately. To me, it looked like the actors were afraid to commit to the moment. That vexed me to no end. Don't make a film about diverse sexuality if you're afraid of the content. Terrible film. One of the worst I've ever seen.

I don't have a problem with sex as a 'logical' part of the story like In Terminator. The sex was needed for the sequels to progress. But lets be real, when something that badass is trying to kill you, you're not going to be thinking about getting laid. You are going to be concentrating on saving your ass.

That's the problem for me no matter what the story, what the situation, the characters are going to decide that survival takes a back seat to sex or the director is going to throw in T & A shots that have nothing to do with the storyline. I'm not saying that there can't be sexual tension among the characters, I'm saying not all movie characters have to be so weak willed that they have no control over their hormones.



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 Posted: Sun Feb 27th, 2011 12:56 am

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mayaXXX wrote: Both myself and Cesare here on this board are HUGE Asian film fans, especially HK, Japanese and Korean flicks. Cesare has posted some amazing pics of the old-school HK stars on the 'Hot Hunks' thread over the past couple of years, amazing stuff.

Personally I'm a fan of the sword and sorcery type Asian film, but I also go for the 'Heroic Bloodshed' type of gangster flick and the action films. In the HK movies, there's alot of sex infused with action, more over the top than even the US films, they really knew how to push the boundaries. The Koreans know how to make a good horror film, since their perspective is so close to the Japanese, who are masters of good horror. I'm also a fan of the cyber-punk genre that Adrift was talking about, in Tetsuo Body Hammer, Pinocchio 964 and others.

If you want to see some truly bizarre horror, watch Thai movies, they are demented. One in particular is 'Boxers Omen', and you have to see it to beleive it.

 

Apparently I didn't give Asian films enough of a chance, because those sound nifty. I tried watching several a while ago and felt indifferent so I moved on. There's just so many good films to try and take in that a lot gets missed. Now that I have more information about them I can watch them again with a different 'eye', so to speak.



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 Posted: Sun Feb 27th, 2011 01:12 am

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Abby1964 wrote: I don't have a problem with sex as a 'logical' part of the story like In Terminator. The sex was needed for the sequels to progress. But lets be real, when something that badass is trying to kill you, you're not going to be thinking about getting laid. You are going to be concentrating on saving your ass.

That's the problem for me no matter what the story, what the situation, the characters are going to decide that survival takes a back seat to sex or the director is going to throw in T & A shots that have nothing to do with the storyline. I'm not saying that there can't be sexual tension among the characters, I'm saying not all movie characters have to be so weak willed that they have no control over their hormones.


Agreed. I so am NOT advocating sex in films for no reason. Because that's just... ewww. Gratuitous anything, be it sex or violence, is not my thing. There should be a reason for anything that happens in a story. That being said, if graphic violence or sex are required to tell the story properly, that's when I don't mind them. And if the filmmakers shy away in those moments it takes me out of the story just as much as when those things are not called for. Basically, I just want films that allow that 'suspension of disbelief', as Adrift put it.

Brown Bunny is a perfect example of graphic sex for no reason. It really had no place in the film and was there just to be shocking and to sell tickets. And that is not interesting to me. Abby is right in that it's really sexual tension, and not the sex itself, that usually makes the story. It seems like, too often, mediocre filmmakers think that throwing in naked bodies is an acceptable substitute for substance. To which I say ick.

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 Posted: Sun Feb 27th, 2011 01:22 am

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The trick with Asian films is picking the right ones, there are some really crappy titles out there because they make them on a shoestring budget and in about 3 weeks.

If you like the old-school sword films, I recommend these:

1. Last Hurrah For Chivalry-early John Woo film with Damian Lau, incredible swordfighting scenes.

2. Duel to the Death-Chinese and Japanese swordmasters square off.

3. Samurai 1-2, -All Japanese Samurai flicks, lots of action. Also check out Sanjuro and Yojimbo.

4. 47 Ronin- Samurai flick and great.

5. Swordsman 1-2,- Lots of great HK stars like Jet Li, etc, choreographed by Yuen Woo Ping.

If you like the gangster-type films:

1. The Killer-John Woo and Chow Yun-Fat, this the film that put Chow Yun-Fat on the map in the US.

2. Bullet in the Head-Another CYF film, tons of action.

3. Tokyo Drifter and Branded to Kill-early Japanese Yakuza films, patterend after Sam Peckinpah type violence.

4. Dowtown Torpedoes-HK Heist caper with some amazing SFX.

5. Any Jackie Chan HK film made before 1995, when it all went to hell. His earlier HK stuff is legendary, and not like the bullshit we see now.

Old School martial arts:

1. One Armed Swordsman, Hitman in the Hand of Buddah, Shaolin Wooden Men, Wing Chun, Shaolin Temple,  or anything with the following guys: Jimmy Wang-Yu, Alexander Fu-Sheng, Wang-Jang Lee, Gordon Liu, Lau Kar Leung, or early Jet Li.

If you like Supernatural horror or action:

1. Bride with the White Hair-Brigitte Lin, legendary beauty of HK cinema.

2. Chinese  Ghost Story-another legendary HK film

3. Storm Riders-Ekin Cheng and Aaron Kwok, 2 HK pop stars act and they do a fine job, plus the film used 'bullet-style' photography before The Matrix.

4. Zu Warriors of the Magic Mountain-early Tsui Hark film, started the whole supernaturl trend, John Carpenter was said to  have actually ripped off sets, costumes and characters from this film for his 'Big Trouble in Little China' film.

5. Heroic Trio-the hottest 3 actresses in HK (Anita Mui, MIchelle Yeoh, and Maggie Cheung) duke it out with the bad guy, Anthony Wong.

6. All the 'Ring' or Ringu movies from Japan, way better than ours. Also, the original Grudge, Battle Royale, Onmyoji, or others that you may run across will be great.

There are other great titles, like Green Snake, 3 Swordsmen, Blade of Fury, Burning Paradise, Tai Chi Master, etc, that are killer, but these are my particular faves.

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Adrift wrote: mayaXXX wrote:
If you want to see some truly bizarre horror, watch Thai movies, they are demented. One in particular is 'Boxers Omen', and you have to see it to beleive it.

 


Now you've piqued my curiosity and I have to find that film :D

Good luck there, it's not available on DVD, but I do have a tape of it, I might be able to dupe it onto a dvd, but not sure how good the quality will be.



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I love the old style martial arts (Late 70's or earlier) two of my favorites are The Master of the Flying Guillotine and the Five Deadly Venoms.

I actually love-love-loved Kung Fu Hustle by Stephen Chow. Old style martial arts, gangsters and the supernatural all rolled into one and just totally turned into the butt of the joke.

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wow, this thread is galloping!

tv hating (and why wouldn't you ... it's the motherlode of stupid), asian film appreciation, non-simulated rogering, etc.  so much meaty goodness :D

fwiw, I'm not partial to asian film, despite being 50% culturally aligned.  I do LOVE my euro flicks, though.  german primarily, and french.  actually watched "coco and igor" last night, speaking of the french product.  fucking gorgeous.  remote and sublime.  whoever made it is a genius (must google that one).

meanwhile, all that talk of sex on film had me thinking of the 'list'.  you know ... films in which the sex SHOULD have been simulated, but wasn't.  american commercial films, that is.  the least likely to involve actual sex.  naughty!

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glad you liked that youtube. and yes, they WERE awesome live. sadly, they're now defunct. before defuncting though, they toured the states a few times, as well as europe. they probably played near you :p

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A lot of great eastern films have been mentioned by Abbey and Maya (which is one of my nieces name by the way). There are some exemplary eastern films that have been made. Don't get me wrong about that, however, a lot of Eastern films I simply do not identify with as posted previously.

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wow, this thread is galloping!

tv hating (and why wouldn't you ... it's the motherlode of stupid), asian film appreciation, non-simulated rogering, etc. so much meaty goodness

fwiw, I'm not partial to asian film, despite being 50% culturally aligned. I do LOVE my euro flicks, though. german primarily, and french. actually watched "coco and igor" last night, speaking of the french product. fucking gorgeous. remote and sublime. whoever made it is a genius (must google that one).

meanwhile, all that talk of sex on film had me thinking of the 'list'. you know ... films in which the sex SHOULD have been simulated, but wasn't. american commercial films, that is. the least likely to involve actual sex. naughty!

@ adrift

glad you liked that youtube. and yes, they WERE awesome live. sadly, they're now defunct. before defuncting though, they toured the states a few times, as well as europe. they probably played near you :p


haha, more to add to my list :D thanks!

Its too bad I missed Rocket Science. Totally my groove. I sort of slept through the whole Garage Rock revival scene. I mean, I was aware of the whole scene and dug it, but I was so caught up in old school post-punk that a lot of it passed me by. In 20 years those bands will be underground classics, no doubt.

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As "47 Ronin" is mentioned in this thread, just thought you may (or may not!) like to know that Keanu Reeves is playing the part of "KAI"(!!!!) in the upcoming 3D (yuck) remake of it.



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Oh joy, another remake. And with Keanu no less (whoa!) Surfer Samurai... sure, makes sense. :wtflol::BigB:

(And isn't he Canadian? Why does he sound like a valley girl?)

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Adrift wrote: A lot of great eastern films have been mentioned by Abbey and Maya (which is one of my nieces name by the way). There are some exemplary eastern films that have been made. Don't get me wrong about that, however, a lot of Eastern films I simply do not identify with as posted previously.
haha, more to add to my list :D thanks!

Its too bad I missed Rocket Science. Totally my groove. I sort of slept through the whole Garage Rock revival scene. I mean, I was aware of the whole scene and dug it, but I was so caught up in old school post-punk that a lot of it passed me by. In 20 years those bands will be underground classics, no doubt.

I dig kurosawa, and there are one or two chinese directors I think are brilliant (zhuangzhuang's amazing 'dao ma zei'), some indians (eg nalin's gorgeous and vast 'valley of flowers'), but generally I'm happier with your euro stuff.

on rocket science, they moved on to other projects about 3 years ago.  the singer suffered an acquired brain injury and was in recovery and rehab for a looong time, so they pretty much had to call it a day.  in the meantime, they're already considered one of the best of their type to come out of this country.  which makes me very proud indeed ... :cool:

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