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 Posted: Fri Feb 18th, 2011 02:24 am

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Though this show has been over for years now, there are possible spoilers ahead for those like myself who hadn't seen the series. Fair warning!


Anyways, Sorry for posting back to back. Not sure if you folks have rules on that sort of thing. So tonight I watched the rest of season 4. All in all it was a great season, and a wonderful show from start to finish. The beginning of season 4 starts out real strong, but I felt there were too many filler type episodes towards the end. The creators of the series really could have made a far deeper impact on the fans, I think, had they spanned the last 3 episodes or so into a cohesive story arc dealing with the fate of the crew and the Lexx. Stuffing all of that into one episode, and really only the last half on the last episode seemed a bit unfair to me. And of course, like others I'm sure, I didn't like how they resolved Kai's storyline. The sexual tension you feel over the course of 4 seasons between Kai and Zev is never really resolved. Maybe there was a point to that, but I found it to be a real disappointment. They even taunt the viewer with hope a couple of times in the episode, and I thought that was a bit unnecessarily cruel. Almost like the creators knew that the audience wanted and expected a satisfying resolution, and they simply a.) didn't care, or b.) were stating in their own way... "this is just a TV show". I just don't know if that's fair though or even... artistically ethical. :D


I loved Stan's last stand where, for pretty much the first time, we see him do something totally selfless and courageous. Very cool. And yeah, the goodbye scenes made me a bit misty eyed. I suppose I should have seen it all coming what with the chess game episode mirroring the Seventh Seal and whatnot. But I was hoping against hope that that foreshadowing would lead to nothing, or at least... to an acceptable resolution.

If I were to write my own ending the particle collider would have had some sort of cosmic effect on Kai giving him immortality in the same way that Prince had. Kai and Zev get together, and the adventures continue with Kai being Yang to Prince's Yin in some sort of eternal conflict.

Meh... I don't know. Maybe the end we have was for the best...

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 Posted: Fri Feb 18th, 2011 03:34 am

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Well  your take on the filler episodes in Season 4 is something that has been debated quite a few times. I've mentioned myself that I could have done without the 'Prime Ridge-Mort-Moss' storylines etc.

The endings affected alot of folks differently. Yes, they did make sure to insert a sexual tension between Kai and Zev/Xev, but that was strictly from Xev's point of view. Kai's motivations from the time he's introduced in Season One, is one of redemption. Kai's storyline is an archetype of the Destroyer/Messiah character (even though Michael sees him as a more reptilian character) in that Kai's one and only goal is to find complete peace in death, and not in life everlasting.

 At the end of the Series, Kai has lived over 6000 years and feels that is plenty enough and apparently his job as a Divine Assassin has forced him to commit acts he would have never dreamed of doing in his mortal life, and feels he needs to atone for those acts, even though he's been under the control of the HDS for most of that time. When he finally gets back his free will, his original sense of honor and righteousnous reappears, so in order to atone for his past, he HAS to die for the final time, of course, with a great sacrfice.

Many speculate that had Prince actually made him human and he'd survived the last battle, that he would not have been able to live with his dark past and it would have driven him insane, hence the disturbed 'Live Kai's' unstable rantings, his soul having been reincarnated into a new form, but the Karmic retribution having it's toll on his psyche.

For each of the characters, the season brought each one into balance in the following ways:

Stanley finds his courage and doesn't depend on the 'little head' to do the thinking anymore. Xev realizes that she's already had a family and her search for physical love is really not that important, 790's personality is 'reset' by his attack and he is more of the pure romantic he was in the first season. Kai gets his atonement and is allowed to finally die and reunite with his loved ones in whatever place they believed in.

Anyway, that's one of the more enduring of the theories around the last season's endings.

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 Posted: Fri Feb 18th, 2011 04:11 am

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Kai's motivations from the time he's introduced in Season One, is one of redemption. Kai's storyline is an archetype of the Destroyer/Messiah character (even though Michael sees him as a more reptilian character) in that Kai's one and only goal is to find complete peace in death, and not in life everlasting.

 At the end of the Series, Kai has lived over 6000 years and feels that is plenty enough and apparently his job as a Divine Assassin has forced him to commit acts he would have never dreamed of doing in his mortal life, and feels he needs to atone for those acts, even though he's been under the control of the HDS for most of that time. When he finally gets back his free will, his original sense of honor and righteousnous reappears, so in order to atone for his past, he HAS to die for the final time, of course, with a great sacrfice.

Many speculate that had Prince actually made him human and he'd survived the last battle, that he would not have been able to live with his dark past and it would have driven him insane, hence the disturbed 'Live Kai's' unstable rantings, his soul having been reincarnated into a new form, but the Karmic retribution having it's toll on his psyche.


Yes, I had considered this, but I just don't think I'm satisfied with Zev's unrequited love for Kai. My main issue with the series from the perspective of Kai is that... with the exception of episode 1 of season 1, and maybe Brigadoom, the real protagonist throughout the series is Xev/Zev. I'd say Stan and Zev, but Stan is often so selfish that its hard for the viewer to feel empathy for his character a lot of the time. And 790 was mostly comic relief. We want Kai to be our tragic protagonist from the start, but as the show evolves this seems impossible. How is the audience supposed to connect to a character with little to no psychological or emotional motivation, who can't be harmed in any real way, and who apparently spends the majority of his existence in a cryo chamber? I mean, he's a great Byronic anti-hero, but Zev is the one we truly connect with the most I think. She's the most sensitive, multi-dimensional, and most human character of them all (even if in fact Stan genetically is). Add to this, season after season, the show is built on that sexual tension, which, you're probably right, is sort of a replacement for the need for actual love. I just can't help but think that she gets short shrifted in the end. Could Kai have lived with the evil he had done as an assassin? I don't know. It would have been an interesting twist on his character had he remained alive. I feel his character was pre-redeemed in that, he died to his sins before committing them. There's no need to re-kill him to accomplish redemption or restitution.

I suppose the theory you propose is probably spot on, but I suppose I'm just not completely satisfied. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

That said, it didn't take away from my enjoyment of the series overall. Wonderful show, and I'm glad I found this forum. :)

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 Posted: Fri Feb 18th, 2011 05:01 am

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I'm glad the series ended the way it did. It made it memorable. When I saw the last episode for the first time (and last time. I don't wanna see it again as I am a wuss) I was distraught. But that sad ending stuck in my brain forever it seemed like. I kept thinking about it, about other ways it could have (or should have) ended, about miraculous ways that Kai and Lexx could have been saved (Lexx's death made me cry just as much as Kai's death). I wanted a happy ending for everyone.

But I don't think a nice, tidy happy ending would have been as affecting. At the time it would have been nice, and caused less embarrassing blubbering, but it would have been forgettable. Besides, Kai was a tragic hero and it is the requirement of all tragic heroes to die heroically.

There is something unusual about this show, aside from the obvious, I mean. I saw the original run on the SciFi channel and for years random scenes or lines would just pop into my head out of nowhere. It just really stuck with me. And then... I was compelled to seek out other people with odd and/or unusual tastes who get it!

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 Posted: Fri Feb 18th, 2011 08:54 am

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I hated but also kind of loved the ending!

I cried like a bloody baby at the real death of Kai, his story is one of the saddest I've ever come across, but I guess, for him, it was the right ending. Zev/Xev's story is equally as tragic. She had a terrible childhood and was ready to die before she was changed into a love slave, if it wasn't for the cluster lizard in her she probably would have topped herself! She didn't just want to have sex with Kai, she really did love him but he was just not capable of reciprocating!

I think if the writers of the show had been female (or at least one of them was!) we might have seen a different ending. The Beans were big fat teasers and sometimes horribly cruel to the fans, just giving us little bits of what could have been. For example, in The Key, when Kai walks up to Xev and snogs her face off, (that still makes me go weak at the knees) and when he says that he "wants her, right now"!! (phoarr!!!) For a guy with no motivation he sure was motivated in THAT episode! But, as we know, it was only to test Xev, so that he could be sure that it wasn't really her. (Nasty Beans)

Nothing in Lexx ever really came to a happy conclusion and I think that added to the spirit of Lexx, it wasn't conventional, it wasn't ethical and it wasn't always moral.
I also don't think they tied up all the story for Stan and Xev, they were still stranded in space on Little Lexx and they didn't have Kai to come to the rescue when they got into trouble, so God knows how they ended up!!

The reason I also love the ending is it STILL has people talking about it, all these years later!!
(Clever Beans!)

And a big YAY for Lexxverse, for giving us a place to talk about it!!:2567:

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Somehow I have a feeling that people would have been talking about Lexx all these years later regardless of the ending. :) I'm not advocating a happy ending necessarily; I just felt that there were some loose strings that needed wrapped up. I suppose what I'm saying is that the dynamic between Kai and Zev felt like it should have gone somewhere, and that tension was built up throughout the years, and then, instead, that whole plot device was sort of dropped and forgotten for the ending we received. Possibly my perspective is unique in that I wasn't at all familiar with the show outside of buzz, and that I watched the whole series back to back in a relatively short amount of time. Oh well, what's done is done. I'm not complaining really, just slightly let down at what could have been.

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Yeah that ending was heart wrenching until you really take the time to think back to when Kai told us the only want the dead really have-to be dead. And then in The Game when he talks about The Dream Zone you realize just how cruel his existence is.

The Brunnen G believed in an afterlife. Everyone that Kai knew in life is in this afterlife, but it's denied to him. You kind of realize that HDS was dead on when he said "punishment beyond death" You realize that for Kai dying was not such a bad thing. It was a release from 6000 years of punishment, he can finally join his people in the afterlife that he being raised as a Brunnen G would also have believed in.



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Yeah that ending was heart wrenching until you really take the time to think back to when Kai told us the only want the dead really have-to be dead. And then in The Game when he talks about The Dream Zone you realize just how cruel his existence is.

The Brunnen G believed in an afterlife. Everyone that Kai knew in life is in this afterlife, but it's denied to him. You kind of realize that HDS was dead on when he said "punishment beyond death" You realize that for Kai dying was not such a bad thing. It was a release from 6000 years of punishment, he can finally join his people in the afterlife that he being raised as a Brunnen G would also have believed in.


What do you think Kai's afterlife will be like? Will it be acting and singing for all eternity like what we see in Brigadoon? Will he be reunited with his long lost love, and forget about the events that happened in the intervening 6000 year period? What happens, do you think, to Zev and Stan? Will they be killed upon contact with the first malicious alien race? Zev is still a love slave in some sense, but she'll never be attracted to Stan (I almost think that Zev thinks of Stan as a brother or a relative, that's why she can have an eye for men like the old dude from Texx Lexx, but not for Stan), so what happens to her do you think? Will anyone come as close to her heart as Kai did? What's the fate of Prince, and bunny, and the president? I think I might need to rewatch the last episode to see their fate because I was concentrating so hard on the main characters (and it was getting pretty late) that I forgot what became of them. It'll be interesting to see if anyone comes back to this series in the future in some form or fashion. Heck, even the cult show, The Prisoner, was picked up for a remake of sorts.

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Well one theory that got around a bit back in the day regarding the demise of Kai, the Lexx etc, is that the old E-Vil things that still had the taint of His Divine Shadow had finally all been either destroyed or died off. The Divine Executioner, Mantrid, Brizon, all of the old HDS regime had finally fizzled out.

Even though we see Kai as a hero in the series, he's actually yet another remnant of that old regime, and he wants badly to reconnect with his spiritual self, that was lost when he was made a Divine Assassin. I think that is what his real torment was, not having his soul, and being denied spiritual awareness for so many thousands of years, and to be reunited with all of that was his goal.



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I offer my own coiffure from a few years back as exhibit A and B... though admittedly deathhawks are probably more inspired by folks like Daniel Ash from Bauhaus or more specifically Johnny Slut of Specimen.




meanwhile .... downey DOES look like pinon.  despite having seen all of lexx and most of pinon's work, I needed you to point that out.

Haha. Well I'm glad someone else caught the resemblance. Every time I saw one or the other actor my mind flipped to the other. Its not just the look, but even the sort of spazzy acting style as well (though, I hate to say, I think Pinon is maybe the better actor, especially after having rewatched Delicatessen recently).


wowzers, that hair takes me right back to my very own misspent youth!.  I'm TOLD, but have yet to confirm, that at one point I had precisely that 'do, though mine was electric blue :c030a:.    I like your good lady's 'do, and all.  a touch of the '20's about it - very nice.  I'm currently trucking a louise brooks myself ... yee haww! 

but where were we?  oh yes, lexx ....

I think it's safe to say here, out loud, that pinon is ... ahem .... in a different league to our brian.  for starters, brian employs far more ham in his methode :cool:

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did someone mention bauhaus?

omg omg omg .... major flashbacks!

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wowzers, that hair takes me right back to my very own misspent youth!.  I'm TOLD, but have yet to confirm, that at one point I had precisely that 'do, though mine was electric blue :c030a:.    I like your good lady's 'do, and all.  a touch of the '20's about it - very nice.  I'm currently trucking a louise brooks myself ... yee haww! 

but where were we?  oh yes, lexx ....

I think it's safe to say here, out loud, that pinon is ... ahem .... in a different league to our brian.  for starters, brian employs far more ham in his methode :cool:

:P It couldn't have been completely misspent if you had an electric blue mohawk! I added a touch of blue for awhile, but kept it mostly blue-black. I miss my mohawk, but probably wouldn't work out too well in the office. :D The lady friend is my ex-fiancee, she's always had great hair. Typically heavily influenced by Siouxsie Sioux (but I suppose that almost goes without saying).

About Brian/Pinon's acting methods, I think yours is a fair assessment, though Pinon hammed it up pretty nicely in City of Lost Children playing like a dozen versions of himself.

Oh, and yes, Bauhaus. Goth Rock royalty up there with The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Sisters of Mercy, and Christian Death. I got a chance to see them a few years ago for the first time when they were touring for their last album 'Go Away White'. Long story short, I spent a lot of money for the tickets only to get there so late that we only caught Bela Lugosi's Dead. :sigh: Daniel Ash still looked great (can't say the same for Peter Murphy).

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Ah the Goth goodies, takes me back, I listened to alot of Christian Death back in the day, but wasn't so much on the Cure, they felt alot more mainstream to me. I loved Lords of the New Church as well, Stiv Bators was the Man ! Of course, this was all before I got into black metal, hehe.

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mayaXXX wrote: Ah the Goth goodies, takes me back, I listened to alot of Christian Death back in the day, but wasn't so much on the Cure, they felt alot more mainstream to me. I loved Lords of the New Church as well, Stiv Bators was the Man ! Of course, this was all before I got into black metal, hehe.

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Rozz William's Christian Death was wonderful. Incredibly creative. They were really the archetype for a number of bands that came later, and don't get probably as much respect as they should have. Never got too into the later Valor Kand version of the band though. The Cure are a bit more mainstream especially the later stuff, but you should check out their early albums like Seventeen Seconds, Faith, and Pornography (Faith being my personal favorite). Quite a bit darker than the stuff that came out later, but if you're more into black metal now, it may not suit you.

You're right, Stiv Bators rocked, I love Lords of the New Church. I also really liked his previous band Rocket From the Tombs, which split and gave us the Dead Boys, and Pere Ubu. This is all Cleveland based punk stuff, and is pretty close to my current neck of those woods, though I grew up on the East Coast during a lot of this, and was probably too young to know about it anyways.

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