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Varrtan
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Hi. My life is in turmoil at the moment. Of course, anyone can start one of these rewatch threads. So, don't wait for me.

I had a similar double-take with this episode as with the last. I didn't realize before that the goings on in the memory chambers have partly to do with the Poetry man going nuts.

So, we don't really get to see what the followers of his shadow were like prior to a corrupted personification of him. And, we don't get to see what Brunis was like before a crazed poet man, aside from the play, brigadoom.

Also, I thought Kai was unusually emotional, e.g. putting his arm around Zev. But, then I remembered there is something odd about Kai, that we learn about after this episode.

We learn that Zev was given up by her parents.

Giggerota has a snake in her mouth. Is it the same kind of snake that we see in the next episode?

The memory chambers, and the music remind me of the cloister of trials in Final Fantasy 10.

I love various quotes:

Jigger oughta: Metal head!
790: Leather ass!

Distraught Giggerota:

"No good. Too salty!"

There is also the kiss:



And the planet of milk fed boys:



There is also the shower scene. Zev's body is very nice to look at... I wonder if I detect Eva Haberman feeling uncomfortable while she says her lines to Stan: "I am a white hot volcano of desire", etc. The delivery seems pained, maybe.

Kai looks so young. Ellen Dubin looks so cute.

The suns being sentient and super-novaing together is interesting. I enjoyed the book Whipping star, about sentient suns.

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Kai didn't remember being told about Blue Star as a child. It was obviously there to bring Kai back together and it was sentient, but it was never explained. Unless I missed it whilst drooling......

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What gets me is the conflicting 'feel' of Brunnis. Okay it's an ancient ruin of a highly advanced civilization but the architecture is more in keeping with an actual ancient civilization like Egypt or Rome. Where is all the technology? Oh yeah the solar stabilizers. Even the library looks more like a place you would find Indiana Jones hunting relics than the home of an advanced space-faring people.

Then there's the fashion. No offense to the real living Kai but the man looks like a peacock on steroids. Even Rainbow Brite would advise a little less color, and don't get me started on the hair! Then we get the totally conflicting example of men's fashion on Brunnis thanks to Poetman and he looks like he stepped off the cover of Runaway Groom Magazine.

The whole thing just feels so disjointed and out of whack but I think that is what works for me.
The whole out of sync 'feel' of Brunnis. It's just out of sync with everything!

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My guess is, because of the intense isolation of Brunnis2, the population has expressed it's increasingly limited creativity in the only avenue open to them, by way of personal grooming. When you live underground, things don't advance and change much, so the fashions evolve to a more complicated state. Plus it's obviously more visually stimulating in a enclosed environment.

:bounce_pinka:

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mayaXXX wrote:
My guess is, because of the intense isolation of Brunnis2, the population has expressed it's increasingly limited creativity in the only avenue open to them, by way of personal grooming. When you live underground, things don't advance and change much, so the fashions evolve to a more complicated state. Plus it's obviously more visually stimulating in a enclosed environment.

:bounce_pinka:


Yes but when you look at Brigadoom the women look more like Plain Janes it was only the younger males that had the Rainbow Brite thing going on, and Kai was the Brightest of the bunch!

Hmmm...That's pretty much the norm in Earth's animal kingdom too! The brightest most colorful gaudy males get the female. Was Kai doing the whole male mating display thing:bigthink:
Now that I think about it, males in the animal kingdom sing and dance too!:c030a:

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Well you never know, the rainbow images might have had something to do with local rank, after all, military men wear brightly colored ribbons on their chests denoting rank, achievement, etc, and call them 'salads'..

The women's hair looked pretty complicated, but the dresses more monochromatic, while Kai's outfit was WAY more intricate than the other men's clothes. It could be a sign of social status, etc. He was seen as a kind of leader...



 

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Tonight on Animal Planet the Mating cycle of the Brunnen-G!

Jeff Corwin: The more colors the male can incorporate into his plumage, the more females he can mate with. Notice how colorful the Dominant Male of the pack is. It's rare to see a full on mating display of this magnitude as these elusive creatures are usually hiding underground....
 
:P

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And the blush made Kai so pretty! :D :kai-red: 

But seriously, I think the extreme costumes and hair showed an advanced civilization at the height of its decadence and about ready to fall into decline. If you look at cultures from Earth's past, it's always when they become uber decadent that they crumble in on themselves.

Personally, I like Kai's clothes and hair (yes, even the rainbow brite outfit) because they're so whacked out. I can't remember the last time I saw something like that and thought wow, I've never seen that before. Totally weird, and totally unique. And I've always attributed the more subdued look of the other Brunnen-G to a low budget and hurried shooting schedule. Wasn't Kai's outfit made long before for IWHS? Maybe they didn't have enough time/budget to make the other outfits as elaborate. But I agree about Poet Man. Why does he look like a lounge singer?

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CheshireKat owns the rainbow suit, she bought it on ebay from figdress. It is beautiful in person, very elaborate detail work. The colors remind me of an easter egg basket.

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I didn't say the costume wasn't pretty but as my mom used to say it's so 'busy' you get tired just looking at it.

As for Poetman, maybe TC had the old butler's costume from Clue hanging in the back of his closet?

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It actually makes me feel a little nauseous...........

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mayaXXX wrote: Well you never know, the rainbow images might have had something to do with local rank, after all, military men wear brightly colored ribbons on their chests denoting rank, achievement, etc, and call them 'salads'..

The women's hair looked pretty complicated, but the dresses more monochromatic, while Kai's outfit was WAY more intricate than the other men's clothes. It could be a sign of social status, etc. He was seen as a kind of leader...



 

I assumed the same thing, Maya.  I always attributed Kai's more colorful/elaborate costume to his rank or social status. 

I'm also quite fond of the "rainbow brite" look. :kai-red: LOL  I know, I know - I'm in the minority... I also prefer Xev over Zev.  I like both versions, of course, but Xev seemed more "lively" to me... Maybe because I always felt Xenia was a better actress than Eva. Sometimes Eva's performance seems forced, if that makes any sense. 

BTW... I'm with you guys on the issue of Tim Curry's costume.  It would have made more sense to me if his attire was more in keeping with the traditional Brunnen-G clothing.  I remember that I was a bit confused about his character the first time I saw Super Nova. 


Oh, and how lucky is CheshireCat to have that lovely rainbow costume!!!  I'm green with envy right now...


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Maybe if he hadn't dropped his sunny side up egg on his chest at breakfast....:c030a:

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Actually the clothing of Brunnis one would have been the 'traditional' clothing. Meaning if they stuck to traditional clothing, Kai would have looked like a runaway groom too!

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Abby1964 wrote: Actually the clothing of Brunnis one would have been the 'traditional' clothing. Meaning if they stuck to traditional clothing, Kai would have looked like a runaway groom too!
The hologram lady had Brunnen-G clothing and hair, and so did the people in the flashbacks Stan sees in the memory catacombs. For whatever reason, only Poet Man gets to wear basic black. :)

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I'll have to rewatch the flashbacks honestly what they were wearing didn't even register

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Pondering the question of the Brigadoom costumes, something occurred to me. The people were not Brunnen-G, they were actors playing Brunnen-G. So their costumes were just that, costumes. When Kai became part of the show, he transformed (visually, at least) into the Kai from the past. His clothes were more elaborate because they were really what he wore. The way he looked was an actual representation of Brunnen-G culture, while everyone else was a representation from a theatrical perspective. That's my new theory, anyway. :bigthink:

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I go with the theory that they didn't have enough money or time to make more elaborate costumes as they did that episode in only like 8 days. Kai's rainbow suit was already made, and espensive at the time to make. Plus the star's costume is usually more elaborate than the supporting casts'.

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I can believe it was expensive. I would have charged an arm and two legs if I had to sew all those different colors together!

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I'd have needed therapy if I'd had to make that thing!

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Jensau wrote:
I'd have needed therapy if I'd had to make that thing!

Definitely some hazard pay thrown in there. Either from blindness or the epileptic seizure all those colors may cause!

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I'm going to weigh in on the side of color... It's fun, it's different, and joyful.

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I don't mind color but there comes a point where too much is just too much.
Kind of like in the movie Amadeus when the king says that the ear can only hear so many notes, the eye can only see so many colors!

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In the memory chamber, on the people's "slices" you can clearly tell the male from the female. I noticed on Kai's "slice" that there weren't any, um, dangly bits. A precursor to what we see in K-Town, perhaps? Hmmmm...  :bigthink:

And the rubber shackle thingies, the shoulder harness and belt, no one ever takes them off! Giggerotta is wearing them, the Heretics in IWHS were wearing them, and Zev even showers in them. Apparently, after they are no longer used to hold you down while you're being eviscerated for the protein bank, they become killer fashion accessories.  :c030a:  :xre_21:  :xevvy:

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I have to agree I like to crazy use of colour in the BrunnenG clothing. That and hairstyles is another one of the things that hooked me in the first time I saw this - it's so unusual for the hero to be brightly coloured and have such an impractical hairstyle. (Man I wish my hair would stay in place like Kai's does!)
I wonder if they were initially thinking of Kai's outfit as the military uniform (the other fighters in the opening of I Worship His Shadow were wearing them too), and then after the backstory played out in Brigadoom realised they would have to find some other reason for Kai to be in such an elaborate outfit - and decided to make it the national costume of the BrunnenG.

I agree that the other singers in Brigadoom have plainer outfits because of budget and time etc. Not sure you're supposed to notice the difference to be honest.

On watching Supernova for the second time I noticed that Kai's gems have been ripped out of his suit - I assume by His Shadow - I wonder what happened to them?



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