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The first amazing episode, that lays out a lot of the overall story.

The tone of the show is very unique, I think. We are shown a very bleak totalitarian society with horrific violence. But, the violence is presented in a way that you don't get a thrill from it.

Typically, in movies, violence is either presented as terrifying or exciting, and you are to react with hate and hold it is a grudge, or you are to cheer the violence because the character is repaying violence, acting out your grudge. Essentially, violence is usually celebrated. Lexx is very different.

I imagine if I lived in that world of utter despair, I would become numb to the horror. In Lexx, I think the violence is presented in a way that I imagine I would perceive it if I were numb from the horror. The scene of the protein bank is not presented with scary music. It is completely normal in that world. It's an absurdist's tale that meets more with reality than the typical heroes and villains stuff, I think.

Lexx is unusual in the way it presents the favorable characters too. We like Stanley, even though he sells out Zev right away. We are to like the deeply flawed characters. Kai comes closest to a typical hero, but he's dead and is unable to save the day, because of the nature of things.

"This last specimen of a now extinct culture of romantic dreamers deserves punishment beyond death"

I love the brief joggle of Kai's eyes just as he sees that his planet is going to be destroyed, as though he is quickly registering pain and then moving on to action, but with the despair plain to see in his face and to hear in his voice.

I didn't notice when I first watched this episode that some of the viciousness of his divine shadow is apparently because they did not cleanse the host properly. The predecessors are shocked that he wants to destroy all of the worlds. So, maybe the insect part is acting without "malice" (I don't think insects have malice). The human part adds malice which leads to problems for his shadow.

I think Gondola is the first episode I ever saw, but whenever I see the bug bomb, I get deja vu. I think I saw that somewhere before knowing I was watching Lexx, and before seeing Gondola.

I think there are a lot of science fiction fans that would like Lexx if they gave it a chance. It is misunderstood. It really is a shame that more people don't like Lexx, but I am not surprised. I am amazed that it was actually on television, really.

Oh, there was a limerick that I thought was not appropriate for the limerick contest, that is about this episode:

Zev was a girl who was fated
to marry a boy who she hated
his manner was base
so she punched in his face
and off to her jail she was crated

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The first time I saw IWHS It reminded me of the Inquistion. The Cluster and the League of 20,000 exist because religious oppression and fear mongering. The Divine Order attacks Brunnis Two because of fear. It is known at that point that the Last of the Brunnen G will destroy the Divine Order and we have the ineffective pre-emptive strike.

Like Cronus swallowing his children or Herod ordering the death of all newborn males there is an attempt to kill the one destined to topple authority. The prophecy must have been a powerful one because Thodin looks at Kai and correctly identifies him as Brunnen G 2000 years after the destruction of Brunnis Two. Obviously the heretics are keeping this prophecy alive to the point that they knew what the 'destroyer' of the Divine Order would look like.

The Divine Order were fear mongerers. They had brainwashed/manipulated the masses into giving up their freedom for the illusion of safety. Much like we have today. (Look at what you go through just to board an airplane Full body X-Ray scan or get thoroughly groped by TSA officers. Because the majority falsely believe it keeps them safe)

The Divine Order did not become the oppressive society that is overnight. I'm sure that the demands of the order were reasonable at first. "We'll protect you from the evil and depravity of the Dark Zone but you must send your firstborn son to study under the clerics. We will teach him to also help keep us 'safe'." And when it became apparent what was actually happening and the Heretics began speaking out, the Divine Order stopped using the illusion of safety as bait and turned to oppression and terrorism to enforce their rule.

I don't know if much of it was intentional commentary or it just worked out that way but there was always a much deeper message there for anyone willing to look.

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There are so many levels to Lexx if people look. This series would appeal to many more if the networks had run with it, instead of focusing on the sex. 10 years ago it was probably too risky to show on a prime time channel, but now I think the masses are ready to experience the joy of Lexx. We now have a wide choice of channels and science fiction channels like SyFy and FX would be ideal places to air this show again. The latter is already showing Farscape and Lexx is far superior. We should really get our fingers and voices heard. There's a new generation out there just waiting to view this cult classic and once they've had a chance to see it, I'm sure it will get all the success it should have had the first time around!

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That is a possibility! Look at Star Trek The original was cancelled after three seasons, it was die hards that kept it alive although I would not want to see LEXX get the Star Trek treatment. Star Trek wore out its welcome with me a long time ago with too many remakes.

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Well  you have to remember that when Star Trek was reborn, it didn't bear the best resemblance to the original and certainly not with the original stars, except for the films. Too much time had gone by and tastes changed in the meantime. If you go back and watch some of the old eps now, they look cheezy and dorky in alot of respects.

As for Lexx being a 'cult' favorite, I think it would need a much bigger fanbase than it has now to be considered a 'cult' show. The few hardcore members that are out there (maybe 30) have long frothed at the mouth about reinstituting the show for mainstream TV, but unfortunately, that's not what Lexx was, and it should remain as it was in our memories instead of someone's 'fantasy' of what they wanted it to be continued. The cast and writers agree with that assumption as well.

To remake the show just for the amusement of a handful of people is really not very economically feasible. The show didn't get that great of ratings when it was on, and there's tons of other shows that have come along and picked up it's old fanbase. We loved it because it was quirky and sexy, and it was an event that will never take place again. The cast that Paul Donovan acquired for this show can never be duplicated.

I hate to keep bursting people's bubbles but it seems that every 6 months, someone stumbles over the show on the internet and becomes obsessed with 'reviving' the show, but it's just not going to  happen. We should be thankful we had 4  great seasons and that the ex-cast members still want to discuss being on the show.

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I agree, remaking Lexx would be a horrible idea! Remakes, more often than not, stink up the place... and there is no way that Lexx could be duplicated. The cast, crew, writers, etc. - they were magic in the way they all came together!

Of course, it would be nice to see Lexx get more appreciation than it does and, hopefully, giving it a second life on sites like Hulu with do just that.

As I've been rewatching the series on Hulu, I've noticed some newbies checking the show out. Most of the comments I've seen have been positive, so that makes me very happy and gives me hope that the series will continue to live on in the hearts and minds of fans who can appreciate it's genius.

All that being said, I've got to rewatch 'I Worship His Shadow' so I can properly add my thoughts to this thread. ;o)

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For me at least the thing about it that appeals to me is probably the very thing that kept it from having the 'ratings' it deserved. There was never any commercial whoring going on with the show.

They made the show that they wanted to make instead of making a show that fit the mold. Originality is not a virtue in the entertainment world. If you want to succeed you follow the 'formula'.

A remake would be horrible. It would be so commercialized that you wouldn't recognize it. It would be like watching the original Battlestar Galatica and the new series. I couldn't stand the new one because there was too much tampering with the story and the characters to make it fit the mold.

The only show that came close to LEXX in my opinion was Tripping the Rift. And that show did a lot of biting off of LEXX.

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Someone else who doesn't like the new BSG? Thank goodness I'm not the only one! I get my head bitten off by friends who love the remake, but I found it to be dreadfully dull.

Okay, I'm now watching IWHS - I'm about 40 minutes in. I think the first 20 minutes of this show are brilliant. The way the three leads are introduced is impressive - you get a real feeling for their character. From seeing how noble and brave Kai was when he was alive, to seeing how snively Stanley could be (but oddly lovable at the same time), and Zev's spunk and independent spirit are evident as well. How could anyone not be hooked?

Okay, gotta go watch the rest before bedtime...

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Where on earth in my post did I mention "RE-MAKE"??????
Good grief people, there's no way I would want a RE-MAKE!!!

I just want the show aired AGAIN on the tv. I know it's being shown on hulu (or something) but that's not available to everyone and not widely known about.
Yes, I know that we die hard fans are few and far between but that's my point. If the show was aired AGAIN, I think it really would be more successful second time round.

BTW I didn't "stumble over the show" on the internet. I watched it avidly when it was first on 10 years ago. I wish people would read my posts properly.
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Actually I mentioned remake in connection with Star Trek and the numerous remakes of that show which just got worse and worse as time went on. I mean a Saturday morning cartoon?

And the trend today is to remake old shows as evidenced by BSG instead of airing the originals. Original Star Trek succeeded because it was always in heavy rotation in Syndication even when the remakes were running. If I'm not mistaken whoever owns the rights to LEXX at this point are just sitting on them save the HULU release.

Who knows maybe they are afraid that LEXX would turn into a monster in Syndication like most syndicated shows and their budget won't cover the increase in those royalty checks they have to pay out!

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I was responding in general to Maya's post about some people suggesting a remake. I know that's not what you meant, Jensau. It does seem to be the trend in entertainment, though... I mean, Robert Zemeckis wants to remake The Wizard of Oz... :o/

I guess, at the end of the day, all we fans can do is keep spreading the word about Lexx. I just sent my best friend links to a bunch of the better YouTube videos - clips, behind the scenes stuff, and fan made music videos. She didn't have cable when Lexx made it's initial run, so she never saw it. I think she'd love it, so I'm trying to put it in the forefront of her mind... because friends don't let friends miss out on Lexx. ;o)

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Sorry, I ranted a bit there!

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Hey it's not a problem, I certainly didn't mean for it to sound as if I'd singled you out regarding the Lexx remake question. That is just something all of us have had to deal with over the past 10 years when someone new to the board either discovers or rediscovers the show, gets nostalgic and then want to start campaigning for it to be either remade or re-aired.

 It's great that there's still all that enthusiasm for the show, but lots of time folks forget all the practical aspects of it and pine for the 'good old days' when Lexx was at least on Scifi channel on Friday nights. Personally I look upon it as great scifi history and the cast members as having their place in that history, but I don't yearn for it to either return to TV (what would that accomplish anyway?) since we can watch all the episodes on DVD, uncut and uninterrupted by commercials.

Lots of folks don't remember that Lexx was so heavily edited on TV that we often lost entire scenes due to 'censorship' rules. I sure don't want to see that happen again, and if by some fluke the show became a big hit in reruns, all that would happen would be that the marketing companies would get their greedy paws into the deal and it would start affecting the writing. Not exactly what the Beans would have wanted, I think.

No one is ever going to write a show like this ever again, and even though shows like Firefly, Tripping the Rift (which I think ripped off whole character parts) Futurama, Farscape, and others were similar, we have to also remember it's just another show in the wheel of time, that came our way. Remember Blake's 7? That show preceeded Lexx by decades, but was almost identical in premise. The only thing it didn't have was the sex, being as it was British and censorship being what it was in the 60's and 70's, there was no way that was getting put in there, but it still stands up against Lexx in many respects. That one show affected TONS of other Scifi shows after it.

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Tripping the rift was blatant character rip-off of both Stan and Xev/Seven of Nine. It's been a while since I watched that show but I remember thinking to myself Somebody watched LEXX and Star Trek before they wrote it.

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I still hope for a lexx related manga/comic/graphic novel. I can't write or draw though. So, it won't come from me.

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The Cluster reminds me a lot of the civilization in the science fiction movie Brazil, and the main character of Brazil reminds me a lot of Stanley Tweedle. I wonder if it was an intentional homage?

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I really like the Zev character in this. She's spunky. I must say, I prefer Zev over Xev. I think Zev and Kai had much better chemistry than Xev and Kai. I remember an interview with XS in which she stated that she took the role of Xev with the condition that her character be given more personality and not just be a sex object. To me, that's kind of funny and perplexing because I found EH's Zev much more emotional, more vulnerable, and more believably in love with Kai than XS's Xev. (I don't think I've ever used the X key this much before!)

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Kaden wrote:
I really like the Zev character in this. She's spunky. I must say, I prefer Zev over Xev. I think Zev and Kai had much better chemistry than Xev and Kai. I remember an interview with XS in which she stated that she took the role of Xev with the condition that her character be given more personality and not just be a sex object. To me, that's kind of funny and perplexing because I found EH's Zev much more emotional, more vulnerable, and more believably in love with Kai than XS's Xev. (I don't think I've ever used the X key this much before!)

You're right, Xev seemed more like the Booty call type of "I love you" It was all based on the libido not any emotion.

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Abby1964 wrote: Kaden wrote:
I really like the Zev character in this. She's spunky. I must say, I prefer Zev over Xev. I think Zev and Kai had much better chemistry than Xev and Kai. I remember an interview with XS in which she stated that she took the role of Xev with the condition that her character be given more personality and not just be a sex object. To me, that's kind of funny and perplexing because I found EH's Zev much more emotional, more vulnerable, and more believably in love with Kai than XS's Xev. (I don't think I've ever used the X key this much before!)

You're right, Xev seemed more like the Booty call type of "I love you" It was all based on the libido not any emotion.

Exactly! Great way to put it. I always wondered of anyone else saw it that way. Also, I dug Zev's blue hair (on her head, not the mirkin). :bigsarc::xevvy:

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I don't think I've ever heard it called a mirkin. The hoo ha, the hoochie coochie, yes, but not a mirkin. And I missed it being blue the first time until someone told me so I watched it over again and was like, Whoah.

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Exactly! Great way to put it. I always wondered of anyone else saw it that way.

I think Kai picked up on it. with his different reactions to the deaths of Zev/Xev. Jumping a little ahead of things here but when Zev dies Kai is the one that collects the goo so he can 'Take her home'. When Xev dies it's almost like Kai is trying to deter Stanley from finding a way to bring her back.

Zev loves Kai in spite of the fact that he has a permanent case of impotence. It's more about the man than what's not in the man's pants. She knows that sex is out of the question but still loves him. From the beginning you get the feeling that she will do anything for Kai's welfare and happiness.

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Angel wrote: I don't think I've ever heard it called a mirkin. The hoo ha, the hoochie coochie, yes, but not a mirkin. And I missed it being blue the first time until someone told me so I watched it over again and was like, Whoah.
A mirkin is a pubic wig :D People used to wear them in Europe way back when, when lice was so rampant that they had to shave all their body hair. Wigs for their heads and for their, as you said, hoo has.

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Abby1964 wrote: Zev loves Kai in spite of the fact that he has a permanent case of impotence. It's more about the man than what's not in the man's pants. She knows that sex is out of the question but still loves him. From the beginning you get the feeling that she will do anything for Kai's welfare and happiness.
Yeah, in the beginning the dynamic between Zev and Kai is much more caring. Towards the end, Xev kind of treated him like a body guard. Or an appliance. I was missing the emotion in the later episodes. Not from Kai, as he was dead, but from his friends. All the quirky sexiness was great, but the addition of a little heart really makes the difference. They did come full circle though, and the very end was a little more like the beginning.

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There's a couple of times in the series where Kai says or reacts in a way that suggests he may be a bit tired of the fact that Xev views him more as sexual object than anything else.

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Kaden wrote: Angel wrote: I don't think I've ever heard it called a mirkin. The hoo ha, the hoochie coochie, yes, but not a mirkin. And I missed it being blue the first time until someone told me so I watched it over again and was like, Whoah.
A mirkin is a pubic wig :D People used to wear them in Europe way back when, when lice was so rampant that they had to shave all their body hair. Wigs for their heads and for their, as you said, hoo has.

What?  They didn't like the Uncle Fester look? :D

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Angel wrote: Kaden wrote: Angel wrote: I don't think I've ever heard it called a mirkin. The hoo ha, the hoochie coochie, yes, but not a mirkin. And I missed it being blue the first time until someone told me so I watched it over again and was like, Whoah.
A mirkin is a pubic wig :D People used to wear them in Europe way back when, when lice was so rampant that they had to shave all their body hair. Wigs for their heads and for their, as you said, hoo has.

What?  They didn't like the Uncle Fester look? :D
Isn't that funny? They were embarrassed to have no hair, and nowadays we're embarrassed if we have too much! Oh well... we humans are just never happy. :)

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Lexx HAS to be remade!!!

IT IS THE BEST SEMI EROTIC SCI-FI TO EXIST EVER. :2567:

Okay, compared to much of the shows we see on TV it was on the budget side, but, it was so imaginatively written and produced. In addition, the actors on there were amazing. Kai, Stan & Both Xevs were amazing.

There is no reason the show cannot be remade. It was left open with the birth of the Little Lexx or 'Lixx' as i like to call it, and there is many shows were remakes have included much of the previous old cast as interesting side characters, to remind viewers of how amazing the show was.

:bounce_pinka: BRING BACK LEXX WITH IN OUR NEW CGI - GRAPHICAL INDUSTRY!!:bounce_pinka:

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The relationship between Zev/Xev and Kai was bound to be different as the series progressed, just as the relationship between Stan and Zev/Xev changed. It's what happens when you spend a lot of time together. When she first meets Kai she was just made a love slave and had a very romantic view of him, like you do in the first few months or so of a relationship, but that doesn't last, so I think the writers did a pretty good job of dealing with the long term dynamics of 3 people spending practically all of their time together.
She did still love Kai and he knew that, as was shown in Yo Way Yo, when he apologises to her for not being able to love her in the way that she wanted him to and kisses her. The guy who doesn't get motivated, suddenly got the urge to kiss Xev. To me that says a lot!

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Nunanimo wrote: Lexx HAS to be remade!!!

IT IS THE BEST SEMI EROTIC SCI-FI TO EXIST EVER. :2567:

Okay, compared to much of the shows we see on TV it was on the budget side, but, it was so imaginatively written and produced. In addition, the actors on there were amazing. Kai, Stan & Both Xevs were amazing.

There is no reason the show cannot be remade. It was left open with the birth of the Little Lexx or 'Lixx' as i like to call it, and there is many shows were remakes have included much of the previous old cast as interesting side characters, to remind viewers of how amazing the show was.

:bounce_pinka: BRING BACK LEXX WITH IN OUR NEW CGI - GRAPHICAL INDUSTRY!!:bounce_pinka:


Lexx will never be remade and for the following reasons:

1. No audience for it anymore, (yes I know the fans here like it but how many millions of dollars will it take just to please about 40 of us?)The original show did NOT get high ratings, and it was only by the grace of Scifi that they had a Season 4. They're no longer interested in even showing re-runs at this point.

2. The cast members have moved on to other things and most of them are not interested in re-hashing their roles.

3. Every single prop, costume, set piece, etc, has been sold off and it would take an avalanche of money to replace them.

4. Paul Donovan no longer has the rights to Lexx or any of it's subsidiaries. The rights lie now with a catalog company based in Canada that has only reissuing DVD's in it's capabilities, and not a studio.

I know when new people join and they're experiencing Lexx for the first time, they forget that the show has been over for 10 years, and it was a great project but all the things that made Lexx what it was are now all gone, so let's just be thankful that it was as fabulous as it was. We don't want a re-invention of the either, it would just suck, plain and simple.

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I think Kai understood intellectually what Z/Xev wanted from him. I think that kissing her was a kindness because he was saying goodbye and he knew it would please her. But that doesn't mean he had an urge to do it, as in, he felt romantic towards her. I don't subscribe to the theory that Kai had feelings and they were just suppressed. As he said at one point, "I don't think... the way you think I think."

I like MM's explanation that rather than emotional responses, Kai had affinities. To me, that makes the most sense and is the most interesting. He's a dead cyborg thing. No feelings, just memories of feelings.

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mayaXXX wrote:

I know when new people join and they're experiencing Lexx for the first time, they forget that the show has been over for 10 years, and it was a great project but all the things that made Lexx what it was are now all gone, so let's just be thankful that it was as fabulous as it was. We don't want a re-invention of the either, it would just suck, plain and simple.



Hear Hear!!!  :clapsmiley: :bigtup:   :2567:

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The last thing anyone wants is a repeat of What I call the Battlestar Galactica fiasco. Too much tampering with a great storyline on a wonderful show that went before it's time.

I can just see it now Kai turns into a Data clone that wants to be alive so he can bang Xev who is suddenly banging Stan. And Oh yeah since Stan never got a chance to to be th object of 790's affections, let's make the robot head in love with him too!

No thanks, I'll stick with the original just like I stick with the original BSG! Maybe I would be open to a spin off, something focusing on the origins of the Divine order or life as an Arch Heretic, but that's about it.

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What's even more heinous is that there's a rumour they want to remake 'Blake's 7'...SACRILEGE !!

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Hollyweird needs to try hiring people with imagination instead of formula followers that can't leave well enough alone.

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If the team that resurrected Dr Who were to do the same to Blake's 7, it could be brilliant!

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NO ONE could replace Paul Darrow....there's nothing like evil hotness...

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