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Jensau wrote: For some bizarre reason, (well actually it was a "come on woman you're a grown up and you know how it ends cause you've seen it before and you know it's only a work of fiction and you know he HAD to really die, so take it like a man" reason) I've just watched "Yo-Way-Yo" again online, and quite frankly I blubbed like a baby YET AGAIN!

Can anyone watch this and not cry?
I hate the Beans for ending it like this, I really do, they could have had them all live happily ever after on a nice little planet and Kai and Xev have lots of little Brunnen G/Cluster Lizard/Love Slave kiddies and Stan set up home with Bunny after she dumps that arsehole of a president and 790 become a table decoration and Prince disappear into the ether forever!!!!!!!!!

I still cry.... A LOT!!  I even cry at those fan made music videos that show Kai at his final end....  :cryingsmiley:

Heck, I still cry when I watch the Tenth Doctor regenerate!  It's hard saying goodbye to a beloved character - even if it's what they've wanted all along. 

It's a testament to just how well realized Kai was as a character- from the writing to the acting - that we have such a strong reaction to his death. 



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Jensau wrote: For some bizarre reason, (well actually it was a "come on woman you're a grown up and you know how it ends cause you've seen it before and you know it's only a work of fiction and you know he HAD to really die, so take it like a man" reason) I've just watched "Yo-Way-Yo" again online, and quite frankly I blubbed like a baby YET AGAIN!

Can anyone watch this and not cry?
I hate the Beans for ending it like this, I really do, they could have had them all live happily ever after on a nice little planet and Kai and Xev have lots of little Brunnen G/Cluster Lizard/Love Slave kiddies and Stan set up home with Bunny after she dumps that arsehole of a president and 790 become a table decoration and Prince disappear into the ether forever!!!!!!!!!

I still cry.... A LOT!!  I even cry at those fan made music videos that show Kai at his final end....  :cryingsmiley:

Heck, I still cry when I watch the Tenth Doctor regenerate!  It's hard saying goodbye to a beloved character - even if it's what they've wanted all along. 

It's a testament to just how well realized Kai was as a character- from the writing to the acting - that we have such a strong reaction to his death. 


I had the same reaction when Spock died in Wrath of Khan. I think that's a testament to the actor's skills in bringing that character to life. Both MM and Leonard Nimoy took on roles that in all reality we should not have been able to relate to because of their 'lack' of humanity and were able to make the audience feel empathy for them. The writing did help yes, but it was the ability to translate what was on paper to the screen.



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Oh, absolutely the skills of the actor - I agree completely. That's why Michael is one of my all-time favorites... and I don't have many favorites at all. I can count them all on two fingers, in fact. ;o)



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I have one extra finger in there. There's only three actors I know that really have that ability to chameleon like that. MM (just doesn't do that much that's widely seen), Johnny Depp (Most people just don't see beyond his fame to the talent he has) and Guy Pearce (Knock your socks off good).

Unfortunately I have to give Guy tops on the chameleon abilities because you really don't recognize him from film to film. The man can totally transform into someone else. Not just looks and mannerisms, but accents. Just listen to him from film to film.



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JediPug1 wrote: Jensau wrote: For some bizarre reason, (well actually it was a "come on woman you're a grown up and you know how it ends cause you've seen it before and you know it's only a work of fiction and you know he HAD to really die, so take it like a man" reason) I've just watched "Yo-Way-Yo" again online, and quite frankly I blubbed like a baby YET AGAIN!

Can anyone watch this and not cry?
I hate the Beans for ending it like this, I really do, they could have had them all live happily ever after on a nice little planet and Kai and Xev have lots of little Brunnen G/Cluster Lizard/Love Slave kiddies and Stan set up home with Bunny after she dumps that arsehole of a president and 790 become a table decoration and Prince disappear into the ether forever!!!!!!!!!

I still cry.... A LOT!!  I even cry at those fan made music videos that show Kai at his final end....  :cryingsmiley:

Heck, I still cry when I watch the Tenth Doctor regenerate!  It's hard saying goodbye to a beloved character - even if it's what they've wanted all along. 

It's a testament to just how well realized Kai was as a character- from the writing to the acting - that we have such a strong reaction to his death. 

 

 

God yes, some of those fan vids are even worse than the episode, esp with the choice of music - killer!!

Yes, Kai got his wish, he really did want to die properly and thinking about it, if I'd been "alive dead" and killed thousands of people for thousands of years, I think I'd be ready to call it a day too! It's just so sad and cruel that he got to experience being alive again for just those few moments!

 

 

Tennants' regeneration scene was totally heartbreaking esp as he said he didn't want to go! Did you see Dr Who at The Proms? They showed all 10 regeneration scenes and, granted the first 8 were pretty dire (special effects were very ropey and dodgy music) but when it came to David's there wasn't a dry eye in the place!



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Abby1964 wrote: I have one extra finger in there. There's only three actors I know that really have that ability to chameleon like that. MM (just doesn't do that much that's widely seen), Johnny Depp (Most people just don't see beyond his fame to the talent he has) and Guy Pearce (Knock your socks off good).

Unfortunately I have to give Guy tops on the chameleon abilities because you really don't recognize him from film to film. The man can totally transform into someone else. Not just looks and mannerisms, but accents. Just listen to him from film to film.


Johnny Depp is an amazing actor. He's esp good when he works with Tim Burton.

It's a pity that Michael doesn't get to do much on celluloid. Perhaps he needs a new manager? ;-)



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I'm not sure after reading some of his interviews it's a case of needing a new manager or just that he's comfortable enough financially to be choosy about what he does. He works when he wants to instead of because he has to. In a way that's good, it lets him control the quality of what he does get involved in instead of jumping into something he would be embarrassed about later just to get a paycheck.



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Jensau wrote: Abby1964 wrote: I have one extra finger in there. There's only three actors I know that really have that ability to chameleon like that. MM (just doesn't do that much that's widely seen), Johnny Depp (Most people just don't see beyond his fame to the talent he has) and Guy Pearce (Knock your socks off good).

Unfortunately I have to give Guy tops on the chameleon abilities because you really don't recognize him from film to film. The man can totally transform into someone else. Not just looks and mannerisms, but accents. Just listen to him from film to film.


Johnny Depp is an amazing actor. He's esp good when he works with Tim Burton.

It's a pity that Michael doesn't get to do much on celluloid. Perhaps he needs a new manager? ;-)

Michael hasn't had a manager since he was on Lexx.  Maybe that's the problem!  Or at least part of it...



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Abby1964 wrote: I'm not sure after reading some of his interviews it's a case of needing a new manager or just that he's comfortable enough financially to be choosy about what he does. He works when he wants to instead of because he has to. In a way that's good, it lets him control the quality of what he does get involved in instead of jumping into something he would be embarrassed about later just to get a paycheck.
If he's not embarrassed to act in a waste recycling plant (nice way of saying garbage dump), then I doubt he'd be embarrassed about much.  I think it's the type of role, he loves shakespeare.



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Abby1964 wrote: I'm not sure after reading some of his interviews it's a case of needing a new manager or just that he's comfortable enough financially to be choosy about what he does. He works when he wants to instead of because he has to. In a way that's good, it lets him control the quality of what he does get involved in instead of jumping into something he would be embarrassed about later just to get a paycheck.
If he's not embarrassed to act in a waste recycling plant (nice way of saying garbage dump), then I doubt he'd be embarrassed about much.  I think it's the type of role, he loves shakespeare.


Yeah I read that review. Maybe embarrassed was the wrong word. I should have said things he does not want to be connected with.



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Okay, I've got several things to respond to, so here it goes.... and it's all good!  I realize my tone sounded a bit ominous there...  LOL


Jensau - I didn't see the DW Proms yet, but I heard about the part with all the regenerations.  In addition to getting the Christmas episode of Doctor Who actually on Christmas here in the US (for the first time ever!) we're also getting the Proms on the same night!  I can't wait!!  :JSMIRK:


Abby - Johnny Depp = Brilliant!  Can't argue with ya there!  :bigtup:


I lost my job in April of 2009, so I've had loads of time on my hands... I'd gladly take on the role of Michael's manager!!  Of course, I have zero experience - but I sure have enough enthusiasm for the man and his talent.  Gosh, how I would've loved to have seen MM as MacBeth!  I love Shakespeare... and I've seen the publicity shots on MM.com and they look incredible!

I loved David Tennant's Hamlet.  It was truly amazing - I highly recommend it, if any of you are so inclined.  It's available on DVD. 

At least DT is starting to get more name recognition here in the US.  Michael certainly deserves the same. 








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Abby1964 wrote: I'm not sure after reading some of his interviews it's a case of needing a new manager or just that he's comfortable enough financially to be choosy about what he does. He works when he wants to instead of because he has to. In a way that's good, it lets him control the quality of what he does get involved in instead of jumping into something he would be embarrassed about later just to get a paycheck.
really?

In my fairly broad experience of thespians (pains in the ass, the lot of them ... hiya Mikey :)) there's no such thing as a ... ahem .... 'struggling' actor who wouldn't sell his soul to the devil for ANY work.  of course, Mr McManus may be the exception to the rule ...


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Abby1964 wrote:
I had the same reaction when Spock died

did someone mention my boyfriend?

oh ... wrong spock .... :(

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Abby1964 wrote: I have one extra finger in there. There's only three actors I know that really have that ability to chameleon like that. MM (just doesn't do that much that's widely seen), Johnny Depp (Most people just don't see beyond his fame to the talent he has) and Guy Pearce (Knock your socks off good).

Unfortunately I have to give Guy tops on the chameleon abilities because you really don't recognize him from film to film. The man can totally transform into someone else. Not just looks and mannerisms, but accents. Just listen to him from film to film.

guy pearce is indeed an extraordinary actor.  we produce talented stock here in oztraylya :2567:

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Abby1964 wrote: I'm not sure after reading some of his interviews it's a case of needing a new manager or just that he's comfortable enough financially to be choosy about what he does. He works when he wants to instead of because he has to. In a way that's good, it lets him control the quality of what he does get involved in instead of jumping into something he would be embarrassed about later just to get a paycheck.
really?

In my fairly broad experience of thespians (pains in the ass, the lot of them ... hiya Mikey :)) there's no such thing as a ... ahem .... 'struggling' actor who wouldn't sell his soul to the devil for ANY work.  of course, Mr McManus may be the exception to the rule ...




The key is 'struggling' is he struggling or is he comfortable. I know people comfortable living in houses one step up from shack as long as the basic needs are met....



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