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 Posted: Fri Nov 26th, 2010 05:32 am

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As you lot on here already know, the whole back story of Lexx, despite all its brilliant wackiness, is all about Kai and I've always thought that his story is THE saddest I've ever come across.

He leads a attempt to save his planet from His Divine Shadow, obviously knowing it was futile, but still he doesn't give up. Gets to see his planet and all his race destroyed, then sacrifices himself in a vain attempt to kill HDS and ends up being killed by him, having his essence taken and then meddled with by the bio-engineers and re-animated into a killing machine for the soul use of his murderer for thousands of years.

He gets his memories back and finally defeats his nemisis, but he's still dead.

He finds friends and has a beautiful, brave woman fall in love with him, but he's still dead and cannot properly reciprocate.

He meets Prince, who, as it turns out, has the power to grant him life again.

At this point we should all be rejoicing! But no, the powers that be decide that Prince will grant Kai life, just as he is about to fly into a huge meteor carrying a big bomb with him in order to save his friends.

How tragic is that?

I've never come across a story as sad as the story of Kai.

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He's definitely a tragic hero. I kind of thought that there had to be some purpose behind his whole existence and that is what my fanfiction is about. The first one I ever wrote was a back story on Kai and who/what he really is. And that on has spun off into four more fan fics, one is complete the second one is a series I'm publishing in my eZine. I've also started working out the preliminary time line on the third because they are all spun off from the Prophecy and Time story.

You can take a look at the first one here
http://www.lexxverse.com/view_topic.php?id=670&forum_id=4&page=1

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 Posted: Fri Nov 26th, 2010 01:47 pm

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There are some really good writers on this board, Angel and Ketana have written dozens of fics, back in the day. Angel has saved some of them, I only wrote a handful, but there's always room for more creativity.

The character of Kai fits a Destroyer/Messiah archetype that is inherent in alot of religions through history. Paul may have used it as a springboard, but Michael has a whole different take on the role of Kai in the ongoing story of Lexx.



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 Posted: Fri Nov 26th, 2010 02:53 pm

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Interesting. So what is Michael's take on Kai's role?
Personally, his story breaks my heart.



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I've always felt that Kai was one of the most tragically beautiful characters ever created (due in large part to Michael's exquisite portrayal), and not just in the world of scifi, either. For me, Lexx truly is the story of Kai. I do get quite annoyed with people who write off Lexx as being goofy or irrelevant.

I'm also a big Doctor Who fan, and I see so many parallels between the Doctor (Last of the Time Lords) and Kai (Last of the Brunnen-G). When you really look at their stories, they're both tragic heroes who sacrifice all to save their friends and the universe as a whole - at great personal cost. But, of course, so many people write off Doctor Who as simply a "kid's show."

I wish more folks could look beyond the surface, ya know?

Anyway... I'm going to have to check out some of the fan fiction you guys have written. It's nice to know fans who appreciate the greatness of Lexx... and especially that of Kai.

I'm sure some of you have seen this already, but I love this interview with Michael...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06rEOWSVupk

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 Posted: Fri Nov 26th, 2010 03:59 pm

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I agree that Michael brought a great depth and meaning to the role and made the story of Kai even more heart breaking!
There are many parallels with The Doctor but his story is one of choice. Kai had that option taken away from him.
The new generation of Dr Who stories are certainly not just for kids! Russell T Davies and Stephen Moffat have brought the Dr to the masses with brilliant writing and great performances by Chris Eccleston and the wonderful David Tennant. I shall check out the link (again!) when I'm online.



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We really saw the horror that was done to Kai in K-Town. That really brought home the travesty the bio-visiers had done to him.



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Michael's portrayal of Kai really made the character. It was different to see this type of character played as so 'accepting' of what was literally a fate worse than death. It made Kai into a much stronger character for me than Spock or Data who were both consistently trying to become what they were not.

For me strongest strongest Kai moments are when you get that teasing glimpse of what he was in life.

In Stan's Trial when he is arguing for Stanley's quick death and Jihana (sp) questions his right to speak for the dead.
In Twilight when he's scampering around reciting Nursery rhymes and poetry.
In Gigashadow any of the scenes with him and Squish.

You get a glimpse of the person Kai must have been in life but you never get the sense that he resents what he is and what he has lost. That 'resentment' is there in both Spock and Data.



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Abby1964 wrote: Michael's portrayal of Kai really made the character. It was different to see this type of character played as so 'accepting' of what was literally a fate worse than death.

For me strongest strongest Kai moments are when you get that teasing glimpse of what he was in life.

Kai is definitely a role that a lesser actor could not have pulled off.  It's a testament to Michael's talent that the 'humanity' in Kai comes through and I imagine playing a role like that is a fine line to walk.  How do you make an audience feel for a character who cannot feel?  It was an impressive feat, that's for sure. 



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Kai is a unique character. There was never any 'development' Kai just was. He didn't suddenly start expressing a desire to be alive. The Kai you met in I worship his shadow was the same Kai you said goodbye to in Yo way yo. He wasn't more developed, one step closer to being human etc.



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JediPug1 wrote:


I'm sure some of you have seen this already, but I love this interview with Michael...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06rEOWSVupk



 

That is a great video, if  you have the Season 4 dvds, it's an extra on there.

If you want to read what Michael had to say about the part of Kai as Martyr, etc, check out this interview we did not too long ago..

http://www.michael-mcmanus.com/MMINT09.htm

 

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mayaXXX wrote: JediPug1 wrote:


I'm sure some of you have seen this already, but I love this interview with Michael...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06rEOWSVupk



 

That is a great video, if  you have the Season 4 dvds, it's an extra on there.

If you want to read what Michael had to say about the part of Kai as Martyr, etc, check out this interview we did not too long ago..

http://www.michael-mcmanus.com/MMINT09.htm

 

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Sadly, I don't have season 3 or 4 on DVD yet.  I've been unemployed since 4/09, so my spending habits have been a bit.... stifled.  That being said, they're on my Christmas wishlist!  I was able to snag that video off YouTube, though.  I probably watch it more than I should...  LOL

I've read that interview with Michael from 2009 - it's one of my favorites.  :D



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JediPug1 wrote: Abby1964 wrote: Michael's portrayal of Kai really made the character. It was different to see this type of character played as so 'accepting' of what was literally a fate worse than death.

For me strongest strongest Kai moments are when you get that teasing glimpse of what he was in life.

Kai is definitely a role that a lesser actor could not have pulled off.  It's a testament to Michael's talent that the 'humanity' in Kai comes through and I imagine playing a role like that is a fine line to walk.  How do you make an audience feel for a character who cannot feel?  It was an impressive feat, that's for sure. 


I totally agree. I think that is why we all really FELT for him. He wasn't alway cold and detached (like Spock) and he certainly wasn't robotic (like Data) we did see glimpses of the alive Kia and we also saw that he did have emotions.

Michael did such a stirling job of showing so much on his face . His expression when Zev dies in "Terminal" is totally amazing.

That is why his story is so tragic. even though he accepts that he is dead and doesn't want to be alive. He does have emotions. He's emotionally attached to Xev and to Stan. He even showed his parental side with "Squish"!

I always felt that Kai, rather than being devoid of emotion, always tried to keep his emotions at bay, because he was dead.

Michael's take that Kai played the role of the mandatory Autistic character, I think is flawed. Autistic people are withdrawn and detached from interaction with people and the world. Kai wasn't.



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I think that Kai has to be completely cut off from his emotions even if he can still remember them. It would have been a survival mechanism. It was probably one of the things the The biovizirs did to the assassins. Many of those turned over to the Bioscholars probably had a strong sense of honor etc and would have fought carrying out the assassinations.

If the assassins had their emotions intact and could feel, the moment Kai regained his memory he would have had a complete psychotic break trying to deal with thousands of years of guilt. Yet he does not. He refuses to kill for His shadow and instead challenges his shadow.

He even continues to kill although now with the justification of 'protecting' Stanley and Xev. He also lets us know in Stan's trial he would deliberately kill Stanley in the blink of an eye. And this is After he almost kills him by accident in terminal.

I think its a case of having memories of emotion than any capability of feeling/experiencing emotion itself.



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I enjoy Star Trek (it's nowhere near the same league as Lexx, of course), but I could NEVER feel any connection to Spock or Data. Even with Spock being half human... and Data's pursuit of his 'humanity' got tiresome. I just couldn't relate to either of them on any level, but Kai - well, that's a different story! I imagine a psychiatrist would have a field day with my empathy for a dead assassin with no feelings... ;o)

I agree with you guys when you say he probably did have emotions, but he was detached from them - whether by his own design or through the intervention of the bio-viziers.

Going back to Michael's performance, I agree that you really can see the struggle on Kai's face sometimes - even if it just flashes by for a second. He could do so much with his eyes!

I could talk about Kai all day. :o)



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