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 Posted: Thu Nov 3rd, 2011 05:18 pm

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To Cesare:
Was he been controlled by the bug essence when he said that? I thought the essences kicked in after Zev kissed him?:s010a: That's when his eyes got all black.
"I believe his "emotions" are hollow echoes of what he remembered emotions to be - and reflections of whatever attitudes people displayed towards him." This is a good theory of a point of view. I only say that beacuse the people who say he has feelings. They might find this a conflicting point. But it makes sences as well the possibilities are endless.

To WarPax:
Yes, I agree something would have gone down with Zev and Kai eventually. He would have accepted her sexual motions. With Xev I am not sure he would have been thrilled to service her as he would have with Zev ;) Here is some proof he would not be willing to mess around with Xev when they were on Boomtown. Even if Xev found a way to do anything with him I think he would walk out on her:cool:

That's a neat trick. Do other parts of you perform that well?
XEV
No. Other parts do not perform at all. You'll have to get your satisfaction elsewhere.
KAI
Likewise, Xev.

He seemed so polite with Bunny trying to get her to understan he is dead. He can not give her what she wants from him. Till Xev said the stupid that stupid thing about him not performing. He burned Xev as he snapped at her likewise. She could not get the guys to do her no matter how hard she tried. The only action she got was at Nook. If he could he would have the last laugh on that one. I sure as hell did and I savored every second of it some much I replayed it 5 times:2567:

To Abby:
"That is Kai's emotions-not real but a skillful imitation of the real thing. When you think about it, as a divine assassin there were probably times when he would need the ability to trigger emotion in others to obtain his objective. The intellectual concept would be there and he would be able to mimic emotions without feeling emotions."

Bravo:clapsmiley: to you Abby when you said this, it impressed me and swayed me a bit more towards your direction. and made me kinda re think my idea of his "emotions". But in some case I still think he really "felt" something and expressed them clear enough for us to pick them up.

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 Posted: Fri Nov 4th, 2011 10:52 am

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I think the only true emotion that he ever felt as 'dead' Kai was in Yo Way Yo when he apologizes to Xev for not being able to love her the way she wanted him to.  Although he is not totally alive at this point, he already knew that something about his existence had changed.  Although the reason he felt regret is not automatically because he felt something for Xev.  Other than the time he is enslaved by Divine Shadow/the insect essence, Kai is never deliberately cruel.

It could have been because he realized the cruelty of fate in throwing them together, or the reason that I tend to lean toward is that his heart was already taken.  Remember he had a lover that had died and in Brigadoom the  this was a very committed relationship.  Perhaps he was trying to let her know that he was already committed to and in love with someone else, Prince bringing him to life would allow him to die and be reunited not only with his people but with his love, after 6000 years of isolation.



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I think the reason why he was more drawn to Zev was maybe beacuse she showed the same devotion his lover had for him. He seemed like he would be willing to give love a second chances with Zev. I know if I was his lover I would want him to find happiness again. I'd know we would see each other again and be together forever once he died. But I'd would be ok with him going out and finding love again. He would still have his memories of her and she would not be frogetten by him. But he could possably be happy with the idea of a clean slate and a shot of happiness. I think he would have don it with Zev rather then with Xev. His punishment in Brigadoom was to age so he would eventuly die and old man but a happy one. He would have wild tales to tell his kids and grand kids if you think about it.

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To me Kai behaves like he has feelings, from his body language and comments and his dry sense of humor. However his emotional reactions do not last. When he first encounter a situation, his initial response is not Data like. But as soon as that initial reaction pass, he does not stay in that mood, and his actions afterwards are usually not based on that initial reaction. Now if that situation persists and keep bugging him, he does get annoyed (the judicators come to mind) It’s as if Kai’s mind produces feelings, but because he doesn’t have the life force/soul, he can’t sustain the feeling long enough to dwell on it. Also since he’s been around for so long, things/situations probably don’t seem as urgent to him as to normal people, not everything is life and death (heck death to Kai is not something to be afraid of anyways), so his initial reaction is milder to start with. Kai, the true Zen master 

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Oh,that's excellent point Carriecat that's am still working on getting WiFi so I am not on much. Welcome to the site the people here are very nice.



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 Posted: Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 10:57 pm

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To me Kai behaves like he has feelings, from his body language and comments and his dry sense of humor. However his emotional reactions do not last. When he first encounter a situation, his initial response is not Data like. But as soon as that initial reaction pass, he does not stay in that mood, and his actions afterwards are usually not based on that initial reaction. Now if that situation persists and keep bugging him, he does get annoyed (the judicators come to mind) It’s as if Kai’s mind produces feelings, but because he doesn’t have the life force/soul, he can’t sustain the feeling long enough to dwell on it. Also since he’s been around for so long, things/situations probably don’t seem as urgent to him as to normal people, not everything is life and death (heck death to Kai is not something to be afraid of anyways), so his initial reaction is milder to start with. Kai, the true Zen master 

Makes a lot of sense. Great analysis... :cool:



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 Posted: Sat Feb 25th, 2012 07:58 pm

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Thanks. It's so nice to find this forum with so much great information and discussion. I only wish I got into Lexx 10 years ago when I caught it here and there on Sci-Fi late night. Then again, I don't know if I would have appreciated it as much back then. The amount of satire is unreal, and so very refreshing. It make me laugh, but also make me pause and think “hey, I’m like that to some extend”.

LastBrunnenGstanding, I love your Dr. Kai poster! My husband just had an annual exam, he got a good laugh too.

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I was to young to watch it haha my I saw two or three episodes at a friends house. Hocked me watched it last year found this site never looked back. You point on kai's emotions were very fantastic :D Brava Brava. Hehehe Doctor Kai way a good angle huh thank you glad you two got a laugh. Your husband is a trooper and can find hummer from a "Traumatic" experience for the greater good :3



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Yes to all of the choices.


Kai's emotions are buried deep down... *and* they are not the same kind of emotions living people have... *and* he mostly reacts to stimuli in an action-reaction sort of way... based on logic and his understanding of right and wrong... and sometimes just plain "no" -- there's nothing there.


The Divine Shadow's Bio-Viziers and all of the Cluster's other apparatchicks overestimated themselves the way all fascists do always. They did not completely cleanse Kai of his bodily soul just as they failed to cleanse the last Shadow of his.

 

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To me Kai behaves like he has feelings, from his body language and comments and his dry sense of humor. However his emotional reactions do not last. When he first encounter a situation, his initial response is not Data like. But as soon as that initial reaction pass, he does not stay in that mood, and his actions afterwards are usually not based on that initial reaction. Now if that situation persists and keep bugging him, he does get annoyed (the judicators come to mind) It’s as if Kai’s mind produces feelings, but because he doesn’t have the life force/soul, he can’t sustain the feeling long enough to dwell on it. Also since he’s been around for so long, things/situations probably don’t seem as urgent to him as to normal people, not everything is life and death (heck death to Kai is not something to be afraid of anyways), so his initial reaction is milder to start with. Kai, the true Zen master 

My exact thoughts. I study Buddhism although I'm agnostic, and a big part of the reason I was so attracted to the character was because he's neither dead, no alive, with no attachments. Zen. I think he does have some emotions but they are not as urgent or high as a living person's, and I think he cares for Zev/Xev and does get irritated with her going to be with living guys and leaving him to a point, but he gets over it. He understands why she does it as it's part of her nature. He doesn't show her his emotions because he doesn't wish to hurt her and truly wants her to find someone she can be totally happen with, so he doesn't interfere.

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There is no a read more option here. But I really want to answer this question the following way (I won't be offended if U say that it's better to edit the post) but for now it is like this:

Thinking of Kai I always remember these poems^

Agamemnon's Warrior
A queer and fearful question is tight,
Oppresses my soul and tosses:
Can one be alive if Atreus has died --
Has died on a bed of roses.

All that we dreamed of and everywhere praised,
All our longing and fear --
Were fully reflected in those calm eyes,
As were in a glass of a tear.

Ineffable power dwelt in his hands,
A saga of feet was retold;
A beautiful cloud he was for his land
Mycenae -- the country of gold.

What am I? A fragment of ancient dread,
A javelin, fallen on earth --
Atreus, the leader of nations, is dead, --
But I have been spared by death.

The down is full with reproachful flame,
The waters enticingly sing,
It’s hard to exist with the horrible shame,
If one had forfeited one's king.



Eternal
I’m in the days’ embracing limits,
Where even skies are ever gray,
Look through the ages, live in minutes,
And wait for Holy Saturday;

The end of soul’s aimless travels,
Of lucks and troubles peaceful end.
O, come, my day when I’ll be able
To Know, See and Understand.

My soul will be so new and broad,
All, that’s alluring, will be mine.
And I will bless the golden road,
From blind worm and to golden sun.

And he, who went with me wherever,
Trough thunders and the silent peace,
He, who was kind to me in fever,
And cruel when I stayed in bliss;

Who taught me to a wisdom whole,
To fight, reserve, or overcome,
Will turn to me, and leave his pole,
And simply tell me, “We have come.



Giraffe
Today, I see, your glance is especially sad
And your arms, embracing your knees, especially thin.
Listen: far, far away on the Lake of Chad
Wanders a gentle giraffe.

He is endowed with slender grace and bliss,
And his hide adorned with a magical design
Which the moonlight alone, shattering and rocking
On the wide wet of the lake, dares to rival.

From afar he resembles the colored sails of a ship,
And his gait is smooth as the joyful flight of a bird.
I know that the earth will witness many wonders,
When, at sunset, he hides in a marble grotto.

I could tell merry tales of mysterious lands
Of a black maiden, a young chief's passion,
But you have too long inhaled the heavy mist,
You will believe in nothing but the rain.

And how can I tell you about a tropical garden,
Slender palms, the scent of inconceivable herbs...
Are you crying? Listen...Far off on the Lake of Chad
Wanders a gentle giraffe.
(c)Nikolai Stepanovich Gumilev

And I believe that if he had no emotions his image would never provoke these images in me.

Last edited on Mon Jun 10th, 2013 03:04 pm by Nell



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