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 Posted: Sun Dec 13th, 2009 10:19 pm

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I know this has been dicussed a million times and everyone has their own opinion, but I think once a character is created, they have a life (or afterlife) of their own and even the writers no longer know everything about them.
I'm sorry if you find this poll annoying or if it's been done before. But it's not like this place is overflown with activity, and besides I get to use the "I'm new" excuse for the time being, so, please, bear with me. :)

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no need to make excuses for wanting to put up your own poll..it's all good..just don't need the backhanded compliment regarding the activity here at this board..you should check out the other deadzones! *rolls eyes* anyhoo I voted!



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 Posted: Mon Dec 14th, 2009 08:26 pm

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I voted no.

and I appreciated the character being written thusly. he had more dignity and was more interesting when not prey to a fruitless desire for emotions, curiosity, etc. was a masterstroke on the writers' part to exercise such restraint - themselves not falling prey to the temptation to anthropomorphise. well done, dudes :D

oh yeah, inserting the "I'm new" caveat. largesse gladly accepted :p

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Ketana wrote: no need to make excuses for wanting to put up your own poll..it's all good..just don't need the backhanded compliment regarding the activity here at this board..you should check out the other deadzones! *rolls eyes* anyhoo I voted!
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt the board's or boardees' feelings. I was actually implying the poll section, since the last post here before I started this thread was from early September.
Yeah, I've seen the dead zones, I've seen them all. XD This board is bursting with life by comparisson.

darthomatic wrote: I voted no.

and I appreciated the character being written thusly. he had more dignity and was more interesting when not prey to a fruitless desire for emotions, curiosity, etc. was a masterstroke on the writers' part to exercise such restraint - themselves not falling prey to the temptation to anthropomorphise. well done, dudes :D

oh yeah, inserting the "I'm new" caveat. largesse gladly accepted :p

I'm really glad they didn't go down the I-want-to-be-alive or coming-alive routes. Because that has been done before, and done before, and done before. And besides, if the character wasn't the way he was, we wouldn't have the gems like Wake the Dead or Twilight. But I do believe he has some form of emotions. Not the same kind people have, but he shows devotion to his 'friends' and a moderate passion for justice. But like I said, it's all a matter of opinion, because he obviously doens't think the way we think he thinks.

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 Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 06:30 am

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To Kai it was all logic, but I think there was still some emotion buried deep within him. Or he at least understood that his companions needed some comfort or actions of comfort from him, especially in Yo Way Yo where he kissed Xev for the last time.



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Twilight, you say?

a more crapulent piece of cinema I've not seen in a long time.  edward the girlish fop :P

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speaking of kai and emotions ... I recall one of angela carter's books has a chapter rich with prose on the nature of the imagined and the 'dead', and what same do to the innocent.

I'll dig it out and plaige it here for the non-masses :D. better yet, I'll crack open a new thread.

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darthomatic wrote: Twilight, you say?

a more crapulent piece of cinema I've not seen in a long time.  edward the girlish fop :P


My friend and I agreed that "Twilight" is referring solely to Lexx 2.13, the movie/book series is called "Twatlight" (which I know is horribly mean, but you have to call it something), and the time of the day is called "fuckin' dusk". And that is how it is because we obviously rule the English language. Even if we're the only ones who know that.
But in all honestly, I haven't seen the Twilight movies.

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a thousand apologies.  you see that's what happens when you live in world polluted by the 'literature' of stephanie meyer.  of course you meant OUR twilight, not their fucked up product :cool:

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Of course. :D
I don't really have an opinion on Meyer's creation since you have to have read/seen something to have an opinion, but I've been warned by people whose judgment I trust that it's not worth my time, and I think I can live without having this particular opinion.

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 Posted: Wed Dec 16th, 2009 11:31 am

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In my opinion I don't think it's necessarily emotions that Kai has but rather memories of emotions..my two cents.



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To be honest, as much as I enjoy the whole "The dead do not feel" deal, I don't think it would be possible for him to exist without emotions. Because feelings aren't just fear, love, pleasure, pride or pain. Without motivation at all, he'd never get out of the cryopod because there would be no point for him to defend Stan or Zev, to kill His Divine Shadow, to do anything at all. He would not be able to participate in a conversation without emotions, because you talk to someone out of curiousity/interest or out of respect or because you'd feel guilty about not talking to them. If you woke up one day without emotions, you would not get out of bed at all, because you would have no motivation to do so. You'd feel hunger, but no feeling of self-preservation would lead you to not fullfilling your bodily needs and you would die.
I think the charm of the "obligatory autisitc character" is not their emotionless per se, but rather the rare moments when they do show emotions. They're like a ticking bomb that everyone is anxious to watch explode, and when they do show a trace of emotion, it's so much more meaningful than it is with other characters. After all, one "I love you" in six thousand years might be frustrating, but it's a lot more meaningful than six thousand "I love you"s in a course of a decade.

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sadly, I have read meyer's so called work.  it wouldn't bother me so much if she wasn't make truckloads of money... not nearly so much.  I'd quite like to shoot her out of a cannon to see how far she flies :c030a:

meanwhile, kai and motivation.  I'm not sure that absence of emotion would necessarily equate to absolute ennui.  my computer is sans emotions (as far as I know ...), yet it Does Things just because I pushed a button.  it does far more than a lamp, or a toaster, but doesn't have any more emotion than those two species of hardware.  nor memory of emotion. 

and I think we've all seen examples of emotionally induced ennui.  it's often, in fact, the surfeit of emotion that robs motivation. 

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 Posted: Wed Dec 16th, 2009 10:42 pm

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I don't want to shoot anyone out of a cannon, although I am slightly annoyed by bad stuff getting so much recognition, while good stuff goes by unnoticed. Good and bad are, of course, a matter of perception, but I have yet to hear a good review on Twatlight from a person that doesn't want to lick the chair Robert Pattinson walked past.

Well, Kai is not a toaster. He is when he's in the killing mode because in that particular moment he is merely a machine performing a program. But when he's not, he acts on "free will", which is in its essence an emotion. He participates in conversations to make people feel better, he follows up people's stories with questions of clarification to know more, he seeks justice and tries to do the right thing. Not only does he save everyone's butts upon request, but he makes an effort to do so against all odd. And he was certainly never programmed to do that. For some reason I doubt my toaster would go those lengths for me no matter how much love I show it.

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 Posted: Thu Dec 17th, 2009 10:58 am

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I think Kai snapped when the Divine Shadow demanded from total obedience and he revolted! Fought back and found what little shred of humanity was left and from there came to terms with what he become of him at the hands of the DS..then made the conscience decision to 'live' as he would have wanted, caring for Xev/Zev and Stan and even 790 the most obnoxious head in the two universes! LOL



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