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Bilbo67
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 Posted: Mon Mar 12th, 2007 12:11 am

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I don't have much of a mind for philosophy (I think I think, therefore I suppose I am...I guess, I don't know), but I enjoy it nonetheless, so I decided--since I haven't posted anything useful in a while--to broach a topic that's been slowly eating at me like a carnivorous symbiote since I first got into the show some years back:

Very early on we are introduced to the notion that time, as it applies to the Lexx universe(s) is cyclical.  "It's happened before, it's happening now, it will surely happen again," so says the song.  This is particularly reinforced by a number of supernatural entities (the Time Prophet, Brunnis Sun/Blue Star, the Brigadoom troupe just to name a few), all of whom assure Kai that they will meet again in the next cycle of time.

If their words are taken at 100% face value, that essentially means that all of humanity, and for that matter all of...everything is locked into an unalterable fate from which there is no deviating and over which they have no say. 

If that's the case, where does free will fit into this equation?  How can any of the characters, regardless of their actions, claim to be doing something of their own volition when their story has been written in stone from time immemorial (i.e., a divine plan)?

(btw, I'm not looking for a definitive answer from anyone...hell, philosophers and theologins have been batting this one around since the beginning of time).

I could write a ton more on this, but the Simpsons is starting...



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 Posted: Mon Mar 12th, 2007 01:40 am

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This was something touched on long ago on another board, far far away....and this is what I wrote as my own take on the cycles of time and free will pertaining to the crew of the lexx..

Perhaps their destinies were pre-ordained for them in the Light Zone, but in the Dark Zone they could make their own way with free will. Was it their destiny to seek out the earth, were they pre-destined to go there? Was Kai pre-destined to finally be at peace in death? His prophesy had passed so what was to hold him to another cycle of time of repeating the same thing over and over. He had destroyed the Gigashadow, with the help of squish. Stan was destined to help Kai and Zev in SuperNova so that they could go back and destroy the giga-insect. After that was all said and done, who's to say they didn't follow their own path after that? The prophesy was over. They could start building their own destiny from there with their own actions.

Although Kai carried the insect essence with him and transferred it the the larvae in Mantrid, was that his destiny to do so, or just circumstance. That was never shown as part of prophesy was it? And after that you had mantrid/insect essence roaming the darkzone and gobbling it all up for Sunday dinner. In essence then, Kai didn't really destroy HDS as it lived on in the Mantrid/Insect/Machine Hybrid. It was with really 790 drones, Lyekka, Xev, Stan and Kai at the end of season two that all worked together to finally destroy the last of the insect essence, not just Kai, which was originally prophesied. So at that point was it their own actions directing them? I think it was.


 



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 Posted: Sat May 12th, 2007 02:55 am

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In Supernova, the Brunnis suns say that everything is ment to be and will be again etc but they interfere (sp!) with it by bringing back the lexx after the past HS have taken it which they must do every cycle of time but why is it ment to be if an entity that is above all that ie they exist then go supernova and shouldnt care what happens to anything or anyone else but they interfere, that doesnt make alot of sense reading it back but i think that there is a pattern like people get an advantage over other people (rock hound getting the essence) and then get power throu oppression but chaos is inevitable as empires cant last forever, thats what i took the cycle being the same to mean. But like you say it is said that everything is exactly as before and will be again so who knows.

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 Posted: Mon May 14th, 2007 01:05 am

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Many of the Native American cultures also believe that time flows in a circle rather than in a linear fashion. Like the seasons, the spring rain and summer sun play a role in determining how bountiful the autum harvest will be. The harvest determines if there will be enough food to sustain life throughout the winter until the next spring. Even though the seasons are a repeating cycle, there are variables involved. (the amount of rain, the temperature etc.)

So, even though HDS was destined not to kill Kai in their first encounter and Kail would eventually kill HDS. (although the devine predacessors carry the memories)

Maybe only the major events of life are cyclical (life, death, etc.) But not EVERYHING is predetermined. I'd hate to think I'm stuck living the same life over and over and over again.



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